The myth of the "vulnerable" gun free zone

Just because you personally do not like the numbers does not make them wrong - now since you dismally failed at refuting the analysis in the link how about YOU go back and look at the numbers - since this is your assertion there is something there then it should be easy for you to make the point

 

Thats nice.

So tell me, why do mass shootings occur in gun free zones and not gun shows?

 

Tell me - why are there many times the firearm injury/homicide rate in America as there is in Australia or the UK even though you have concealed carry?

five shot at different gun shows
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/19/us/north-carolina-gun-show-shooting

Maybe it is only a matter of time

 

Due to inproper Handling of a firearm, That he should of checked and should of been checked before being let in. Why not gun safety trainings instead of an out right ban? Why not teach people to properly maintain and secure a firearm before you threaten to remove all firearms?

 

I don't care.

So tell me, why do mass shootings occur in gun free zones and not gun shows?

Why do you even bother hitting the reply button if you are going to predictably fail to address a simple and direct question?

 

I like the numbers, they prove that per population density over the long term your rate for mass shootings is almost equal to ours. You are just overdue for another one.

 

Because people are people - 80% sense most of the time but the other 20% lies somewhere between "unbelievably moronic" and "oxygen thief". Ask ANY ED nurse. Hells bells - look at the Motor Vehicle stats - "common sense" says nobody would think of going at speed driving with their feet and yet people do......"

 

Sorry showed you where 5 people were shot - and that is just a couple of incidents googled up by someone not even living in your country!! Meantime USA has

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm



Here is a nice graphic - the darker the blue the more the gun homicides there are
http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/0/B/6/{0B619F44-B18B-47B4-9B59-F87BA643CBAA}facts11.pdf

Whereas we had 206!!

UK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales

The real question is "Why is the USA so high"

 

Yes thank you for giving me yet another chance to tell everyone that before we changed the gun laws we had 13 mass shootings in 18 years - and in the 16 years after that - ONE!!

As I pointed out to Wolverine - it is only a matter of time before there is a mass shooting at a gun show - you already have had one on an army base

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Yes thank you for giving me yet another chance to tell everyone that before we changed the gun laws we had 13 mass shootings in 18 years - and in the 16 years after that - ONE!!

As I pointed out to Wolverine - it is only a matter of time before there is a mass shooting at a gun show - you already have had one on an army base

 

I do not care.

So tell me, why do mass shootings occur in gun free zones and not gun shows?

Why do you even bother hitting the reply button if you are going to predictably fail to address a simple and direct question?

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I do not care.

So tell me, why do mass shootings occur in gun free zones and not gun shows?

Why do you even bother hitting the reply button if you are going to predictably fail to address a simple and direct question?

 

LOL, we have never had a mass shooting at a gun show and the army base was another "gun free zone".

 

The army base was a gun free zone.

Oops!

 

So on your map bower it shows Mexico as real dark blue and several places above it as blue would it be safe to think crime spills over not because not all murders are legal residence? In the border town i live in we have found tons of illegals who have been killed for the spill over is that still a US has too many gun problems?

 

Oh my goodness. Mayors against illegal guns. I guess I'm free to quote statistics from the NRA then, hmmm?

Good grief.

 

Now don't that beat all, you are exactly right

 

Color perception issues...Are the US and Down-Under the same color?

 

NO - USA darker than Aus - have you seen OUR gun firearm and injury rate??

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That is why the medical profession are calling for a public health approach

 

This is gun homicides, not overall homicides. As I have shown you, your overall homicides were uneffected, they even spiked up 3 years after the ban. They are now declining to lower levels, but most of the world is, including the US which is at a 50 year low without bans.

With that being said, are you saying that your OK with people being murdered as long as its not done with a gun?

 

Always have found the last sentence a striking consideration.

People with a desire to ban weapons don't understand that a weapon allows the disadvantaged to be equal or even advantaged when confronted by a physically superior individual or number of persons intent on violence. Some are steadfast in denying people the right to protect their life anywhere with a firearm. I strongly suspect many of these same folks would allow a ban for gun ownership and accept a number of deaths as a necessary sacrifice for their belief. Gun owners would rather it be each individual's God-given choice on how they would defend their life.

I find the anti-gun stance hypocritical; looking only at the small percentage of firearm misuse/criminal use and applying the same logic to drugs would have a lot of people deserving of therapeutic medicine going without because a small percentage of people misuse/criminally abuse drugs. Or how about banning motor vehicles or reducing the number of people one could seat in one because a small percentage of people drink and drive. Don't know anyone calling for this.

 

Tough to see from here, but I'll take your word for it.

Rates and percentages are great for debate but the choice on how to defend one's self is a personal and individual matter in my book. In America, we still have a Constitution, tattered and chewed in spots, but still defending enumerated personal rights and state powers (BOR) since 1791.

 

But why the acceptance of a LETHAL response? We actually are a little constrained - we cannot respond beyond the threat. The same as in England

 

When a man gets charged for defending himself with a book means you can't even respond. A book is a deadly weapon in England.

 

What I am trying to point out to you, little birdy, is that when you take the guns away, the murders are still there at the same level, the only difference is now its not being done with firearms, that is the same for your country and England, the murder rate did not change.

 

Actually it did - because other weapons are not as lethal.

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Bull!!

Internet flotsam

 

More absurdity from the UK: A homeowner who discovered two robbers in his home held them with a toy gun while he telephoned the police. When the police arrived they arrested the two men, and also the homeowner, who was charged with putting someone in fear with a toy gun. An elderly woman who scared off a gang of youths by firing a cap pistol was charged with the same offense.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235782/Millionaire-Munir-Hussain-fought-knife-wielding-burglar-jailed-intruder-let-off.html