The Myth That Nuclear Weapons Can Kill Everyone On Earth-many times over

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    General Tommy Franks in his awesome book said it was easy. And he defeated Saddam in under a month. Democrats promised him it was going to take at least a year. And that he would lose tens of thousands of troops.

    Franks lost 139 men.

    Save your time by looking at the right side of Wikipedia where it gives casualties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

    Guess how many Ike lost on D day?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we lost 4,500 soldiers

    everyone of them, died for nothing
     
  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Hell I recall when Democrats/liberals/progressives were obsessed with the idea that Ronald Reagan was going to start a war!!!

    What war did Reagan start? Grenada???!!!

    Dam, the planet really dodged a bullet there didn't it........
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I would say all those who died during the pointless "containment" of Iraq from 1991 to 2003 (anywhere from 400-800) are the ones who died for nothing.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if Ronny thought we could win a nuclear war with less than 100,000 casualties he would have nuked the USSR
     
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    1,796 American troops were killed in Afghanistan during the Obama administration but they died for liberal political correctness.
     
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    Nukes don't need to kill people directly to destroy nations. Using hundreds of nukes to kill entire population centers is highly impractical. All you need to do is hit major points of infrastructure and the whole thing collapses. 1 strategic nuke hitting China's Three Gorges for example is enough to cause a national catastrophe that will take years to recover. Nukes can be aimed at roads, powerplants, communication towers, and oilfields. This makes the transportation of power, medical supplies, and food slow down to a crawl for it takes weeks for radiation to clear up. That is enough to starve major population centers to complete anarchy especially if you can hit major capitals and kill global leaders. Major US Military bases are not invisible, they can be easily hit. Underground bases like Cheyanne Mountain is not hidden either, since they are too complex, full of infrastructure to hide. 100 ICBM hits will collape the mountain base. The result is a Dystopian World where at least tens of millions are dead, millions of people dying of disease and starvation, martial law by a military junta to have even a hope of the nation recovering which will take decades. It is a world where US in no way can be a superpower anymore, for sure.

    The end of the story: Strategic Nuclear war is not worth it.
     
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    Yeah, you're referring to the fact that it doesn't take population into account aren't you?
     
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    General Tommy Franks never included Bolton in his planning group. The way Franks worked it, he called on each of his divisions to establish war plans. He asked all military force leaders to participate. So in all branches, they all worked as a united team. Franks grew disgusted with our US Generals working to inform presidents, known as the Joint Chiefs of Staff and walked out on them declaring he was not going to be party to their Cluster Sex act.

    Bush for his role told Franks he had 100 percent control. That not even Rumsfeld was his senior in rank. Bush was the sole leader of Franks. Franks would brief Bush from time to time, including at his ranch in TX. Rumsfeld understood his role and did his best to help Franks in any way he was able to. Colin Powell was briefed as well and he was fine with the entire plan of operations.

    Franks was disgusted with one of the neocons, the man called Doug Feith.
    http://original.antiwar.com/john-ta...pidest-guy-on-the-planet-has-lots-of-company/
     
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    Any president would. Hell Jimmy Carter probably would've if he thought he could hold American fatalities that low.

    You'll deny it but I would wager that you would do the same.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Bush put them there
     
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    you're telling me that I would have nuked 150 million Soviet citizens if I knew they could only kill 100,000 Americans in retaliation?

    that's ****ed up.

    don't project your bloodlust and hatred of human life on to me.

    that's your cross to bear
     
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    We lost 139.

    Soldiers always die for nothing per a number of people. It is normal to think that. i think that way about my uncle who died fighting for Truman too. I get it.

    Far right side is the war deaths and by what nations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
     
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    How did they die for political correctness?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish some of my children could talk to you. Honestly they would inform you correctly.
     
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    Why would only 3000 die in Minot?
     
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    Franks was the dog that the neocons let loose. As usual you're talking about nothing
     
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    Just the ones who were there from January of 09 to March or April of 09.
     
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    Anyone who thought Iraq was a good idea is a f*cking Moron.
     
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    At your age, you have much yet to learn. I was still a Democrat at your age. That was 38 years ago. I was as unruly then as you are today.

    Can you take any suggestions? If you can, will you read the book by William E. Simon titled A Time for Truth? You may see it as a book read by republicans but when I read it, I Was a very devoted Democrat.
     
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    64 percent of Americans must be morons then. But who knew you existed then?
     
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    Sounds about right.
     
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    Obama's politically correct Rules of Engagement that favored the enemy and caused American troops to bleed and die for political correctness.
     
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    Yet look at the great things Reagan did as president. Democrats promised we would die due to the Russian nukes. I am not aware of any nukes dropped on us at all.
     
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