The natural role of the human species on the Earth

Ah, there it is! So I am ignoring what we do for the ecosystem. What do we do for an ecosystem that doesn't only benefit us or has some sort of chaos or tragedy caused by us in which then our species reacts to fix our mess?

 

The beaver and in many ways the forest along the river banks. Beaver trails can help lead water further inland from the bank and can actually create new wetlands, and they can also clear away specific trees making way for more sunlight and possibly more trees in that location that were struggling to grow because of canopy.

 

And like every other post on here you again fail to see any benefit from what a human does. Again, the intent IMO of the OP. Silly!

 

If you have no intention of actually having a debate then go away. The intent of this topic is pose a relatively simple but provocative question which was to name one or more things that the human species contributes to the planet. If it's so silly then it should be very easy for you. If you can show how human interaction with an ecosystem benefits that ecosystem without that benefit being us cleaning up a mess taut we created then great.

 

Debate? Hah!!! you're an instigator. You have an intended position and wish to drive that intention. You're right, you will not debate, instead your intent is to make the thread about your intention. You're driving it there right now. Your thoughts and points are trivial, you have not provided your intended position. You wish to argue only and not accept the position of others. So, again, what are your intentions with this thread, but to prove humans are evil inhabitants of the planet? Please explain.

 

Yes I have an intention just like anybody else does when they post something here, but that doesn't mean there also can't be a debate. In contrast to you I have been responding to all responses and other peoples responses fairly. FYI I do not have to accept other positions anymore than you have to accept mine, but it can still be debated. You have yet to attempt to answer any of my questions. Please either participate or leave.

 

Don't tell me where I can post. Your thread is useless. again your point is to have an argument not a debate.

 

So have a debate then. I advocate that humans do not contribute to the ecosystem that they live in and end up doing more harm than good, you view it the opposite. Explain how humans as a species contribute to the ecosystem.

 

man made retention ponds, irrigation, Man made lakes, controlled burning, planting trees, shrubs flowers, in short landscaping and on and on.

 

We are part and parcel of the ecosystem. Some of you keep thinking that we are not natural to Earth.

 

BTW, do you believe humans reproduce too much? In other words, do you believe there are too many humans?

 

Lets see keeping this simple we are the Dominant Species until nature decides to replace us, other species including ours must adapt to our existence or lose out. Before us it was the Dinosaurs.

 

Yes, humans are overpopulated

 

Man-made things like what you list above are built to benefit man and man's intentions. Take away those man-made things and you are left with a natural world without a human fingerprint, and that world would be just fine in my opinion

 

Again, we are natural in that we are an animal species, I haven't denied that, but I'm still hoping you and others can give examples of how we actually benefit an ecosystem and not just benefit our own species and interests. If human beings disappeared tomorrow nothing would collapse without us. The same can't be said for millions of others species.

 

Benefiting and ecosystem is an invention of man. Do ants care about the blades of grass they remove when they build an anthill?

 

No, befitting an ecosystem comes very natural for most plant and animal species whether they realize it or not, but it doesn't come natural to us, we have to go out of our way to benefit an ecosystem which is typically after we do something to negatively affect it. A tree produces oxygen, a bee can pollinate thousands of flowering plants, a frog can help keep insect populations under control, a snake or bird can keep the frog population under control, a sea turtle can keep sea beds healthy and jellyfish populations down, and I could go on and on and on. The important thing to note about just that small handful of examples is that all of those animals do that instinctually and naturally. It's not done because of their irresponsible actions prior to them completing that task. We pat ourselves on the back when we show on the news that we saved a hundred birds after an oil spill as if we did our part and nature should thank us for using our tools and hearts, but the spill shouldn't have happened in the first place. Everything we do to benefit us affects so many other forms of life in an unnatural and dangerous way, and rarely just on a local level.

I ask you: In our modern state how do we as a species naturally help an ecosystem? How does a new theme park, mall, parking garage, highway, suburb, war, factory farm, and the like benefit an ecosystem better than us just leaving it be? Possibly in our earlier stages of evolution we were a gathering/scavenger/hunter species that played a part in the food web and in maintaining a healthy ecosystem, but over time our species has turned its back on our purpose here on Earth and instead made it all about us at the expense of the planet, and that has to change if we want to continue living on it. When our species is gone nature will recover and our footprint will slowly disappear, but we could easily take bigger steps right now to remove our footprint and co-habitate in a responsible and equal way with the rest of life sharing this planet. Getting the "dominion" belief out of our heads would be a start.

 

You see the debate is pointless, you can't even see the picture that is in the data provided. You have a point of view and are unwilling to move. Tough to debate when your affixed to human is evil theory. Man made ponds provide homes for ducks, geese and fish that develop as they are carried on the feet of the ducks and geese, then turtles arrive and bacteria is developed, the fish eventually feed the ducks who brought the eggs for the fish to develop. Your completely blind to all of the good things that man does. Giving you info and watching you tear it apart is silly. So back to the original message, silliness in this thread. Why not just declare you hate humans and call it a day? Holy crap batman.

 

You act like plants and animals should be grateful for our man made retention ponds and the like. Most forms of nature will thrive if given the opportunity and so sure you can say that ducks and other wildlife can make a home in a retention pond but that's not the point. What are many of those ponds built for? If they didn't exist and if we didn't take over, dry up, or pollute other waterways those same animals could have and would have had a nice home in a real pond or lake formed by the earth. I'm not denying that an animal can benefit from something like a man made lake or pond but it's arrogant to think that we did it for them and that they should be thankful. Many retention ponds for example are built for new suburban neighborhoods, power plants, shopping areas, and so on where a good chunk of forest, wetland, or land forms and habitats were destroyed. Don't act like that little retention pond is some sort of victory because some ducks move in.

 

And there you have it. hah.............................hah bad ole man. Dude just admit you'd rather not be on earth.

BTW, where exactly did I make the statement you said I made?

 

1. I'm not a dude

2. I'm perfectly happy being on the Earth, however, I'd be happier if many of the people who actively damage it or have apathy towards and life on it weren't here.

3. You don't have to actually say something to believe it. The way you talk and act tells me that you think humanity is doing wildlife and the earth a favor by tearing a habitat apart and building a shopping mall with a pond.

 

Well the answer would be if there were no ponds in the area prior to the mall then yes! Yet you say the heck with the ducks and the fish and the geese and the turtles, because your agenda is to have mankind go away. Dudette

BTW, I give you examples of how man interacts with other species and you still get upset. You said we didn't at all. Nice

 

Prior to the mall there was habitat. Tearing down habitat to build a retention pond and a mall is irresponsible. We need to stop trying to alter nature to only fit our wants and needs. Going back later and trying to justify it by saying to look at the happy animals here now is nonsense. They were most likely happier and more established prior to our hand. My agenda isn't to have mankind go away, that's an impossible agenda, my agenda is to help educate people who can't see past themselves, and protect life, equal life, from our destructive and selfish ways. The examples you gave ignore the initial man made impact to the habitat or ecosystem. Would you say that if the amazon were completely cut down and replaced by homes, man made lakes, and retention ponds populated by happy ducks and fish instead of what was there originally would you consider that to be a good or bad thing? The mall example is a small scale comparison.

 

ok whatever, like I said, no debate just what you want. The hell with Humans. Go away now.

Before you go, would you say you hate humans? answer is yes!!!!

 

I don't hate humans, but I do hate much of humanity's actions towards life on Earth and towards the Earth itself.