The next mass murder

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trust in this situation isn't about crime, it is about stupidity and different "matters of perspective".

    I don't think you understand.

    People like you are THE problem. People like you are why they have to lie.

    But that is a topic for another thread.
     
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  2. Reality

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    Either their boss takes evidence of corruption seriously and will not protect a corrupt cop out of bullshit 'thin blue line' union tactics, or they do not.

    If they do not, they're a corrupt cop.

    If the evidence you have is ****, that's another story but then here we're not talking about bad evidence.

    People like me are the problem and why they 'have to lie'? Why do they 'have to lie' Kazenatsu? Tell the class what you mean by that. Let's start with: Who are 'they' and what are 'they' lying about?
     
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    Pure conspiracy theory. It has happened nowhere else in the western world.
    ISTM you have very little faith in your own democracy and Constitution which outlined process, rights and responsibilities.
    You have been fed fear in order to feed the gun business.
    A shame.
     
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    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    You live in an alternative universe.
    I recognise none of this fantasy and I actually live here.
    I can only shake my head at the appearance that some mistake for reality, and live their entire lives with a bag over their head.
     
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    So? People die of all kinds of things you're just making this example as a political horse to ride. Our level of freedom scares you guys, you gave your freedom up for the illusion of security.
    Security you do not possess. And now the freedom you do not possess is gone forever and you will remain in the service of your government. There will always be tragedies but at least we will not have any genocides.

    Of course you won't bring up CH, your police are insufficient to protect you but you cling to this fantasy nonetheless.
     
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    Hate speech laws are a thing where you're from, and firearms ownership is not a matter of right and so can lead to police officers (who don't tend to be bright bulbs themselves, academically) kicking in your door on the report of an annoying, and prudish busybody IE a Karen.

    Spare us all this foolishness.
     
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    No where in the Western world?

    What, you didn't get a chance to ask Herr Grandad about all the people he put in boxcars?
     
  8. Gateman_Wen

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    So you're pure American Indian?
     
  9. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many of the bosses are in on it to, because they know those under them deserve to be protected from injustice.

    I still don't think you're understanding. Your blood vendetta against police typifies the type of stuff they are hiding from.

    We could have this discussion in another thread.
     
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  10. Richard Franks

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    Sometimes it's hard to determine who's dangerous. There should be stricter gun laws. I don't know if that will work or help but it is a good idea.
     
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    that seems a rather flippant and crappy argument for infringing on the rights of millions of people
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, it depends on what exactly you mean by "stricter". We can't approach this with just general emotion. (Well, we can, but it's not a good idea)
     
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    I refuse to comparé now with 80 years ago. It is cheap and dishonest to try to do so.
    Now why am I not surprised you try it?
    If you continue, we could cover your 18th and 19th century indigenous total control over people of colour you disgracefully abus3d, working many to death and CLOSELY comparable to Nazi Germany.
    What does that make your history?
    Unless you actually write from knowledge and expérience you mention, what you say is irrelevant. It is based on ignorance and has no value.
     
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    I know but that means that those guys above them are even more corrupted. Politicians in particular. A typical description of South American banana republic. On a much grander scale.
     
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    What is clear is that you don't understand the USA and its history. Furthermore, the democrats have proven over the decades that they are incapable of providing safety and security for U.S citizens in big cities under their control (Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Okland, Potralnd etc....)...Being armed and able to defend yourself and your family is the beauty of the U.S system. Disarming law abiding citizens would be a complete disaster. The only armed people left will be gang members and other criminals who obtained their arms illegally. And will continue to do so. I can't believe that I am even discussing this topic with someone who supported abolish the U.S police force. See how that idiotic idea worked out in Portland.
     
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    For heavens saké I have repeatedly called for MORE AND BETTER TRAINED police!.
    As for my understanding of the USA, once again I am telling you I grew up there. I have also retained friends and connections with the placevand have followed it's development with interest.
    You seem to think I am on some isolated island with no communications.
    Once again you would be wrong.
     
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    I would remind you that the inability to distinguish what was reality 80 years ago and what it is now is and indicator of dementia.
     
  18. Richard Franks

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    How else would you be able to keep the guns out of the wrong hands? There is a point that guns don't and won't solve problems. They never have and they never will.
    Here is something that might answer your question.
    I hope there will be helpful info.
     
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    how about actually punishing criminals who are caught with guns rather than harassing honest people?
     
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    It appears to be impossible since the guns that cause mass shootings and other murders are all owned illegally. The Uvalde shooter was a sociopath. It is illegal for sociopaths to own guns. Since nobody but he knew he was a sociopath then the obvious goal would be to identify these people before they kill someone or even get a gun. The guns are not the problem. The shooters are the problem.
     
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    All evidence to the contrary..
     
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    You can look at China for the modern day if you'd like.
    Don't pretend it doesn't exist.

    FFS Canada's red flag legislation its floating through not only allows the ex parte proceeding, but the ****ing court can seal the entire case from the defendant. So you get your property taken in a kickdoor raid by a swat team, your rights taken, and no opportunity to defend yourself, confront your accuser, or the evidence against you. The judge can just say you've been adjudicated a naughty boy, no you can't see the evidence or know who accused you: NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF!!!!?!?!?
    And this accusation can come from ANY person, ANY where. Which for the kin of collaborators may not seem shocking, but the free world is rightfully wary of strangers reporting their neighbors or people they encounter to local commissars or gestapo.
     
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    Politicians are always corrupt. That's true anywhere.
     
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    Why, don't you recognize the humanity of the victims? Are they all just numbers to you? Eh?

    Yes let's examine our genocide of the natives: They didn't have firearms and the largest mass shooting of civilians in the United States' history is the Massacre at Wounded Knee when a group of natives were disarmed and then murdered by the cavalry to include 100 men and 200 women and children. We can examine European slavery as well: They accomplished it by having superior weapons technology (amongst other technologies) that allowed far fewer of them to stand off larger groups of Africans and engage in trade for slaves or take slaves themselves.
    Just as I will not let you shy away from being the descendant of collaborators, I will not let myself or my fellows forget the sins of our ancestors. I admit those sins occurred, that they were sins, and that the persons who took those actions were morally repugnant.
    Unlike you however, I do not demand to double down on the sins of my ancestors: I do not ratify the policies they put in place that caused such harm. You do. You want disarmament, you want people susceptible to witch hunt style whisper campaigns, at the mercy of the Karens.

    Hence: Why I refuse to be disarmed.

    Also just a small note: You understand that France was one of the main colonial powers..... right? You understand that France had a large part in colonizing Africa and the United States?
    You understand that YOUR history includes genociding the natives, enslaving the Africans, ****ing around with the Chinese and spheres of influence, attempting to conquer Europe twice, AND collaborating with the Nazis?
    Those in glass houses must be careful of casting stones.
     
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    Its not a blood vendetta, its simply pointing out that the 'good' cops know who the 'bad' cops are and what they've done yet they DO NOTHING.
     
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