The NFL Playoffs are here!

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  1. Herkdriver

    Herkdriver New Member

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    Let's see want to say Public Enemy was popular around the late 80's. I didn't grow up in a cave...I can also quote Shakespeare if that is any consolation to the persona I may project in here as "stuffy"...
    "me thinks thou dost protest too much"
     
  2. homerjay_s

    homerjay_s New Member

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    Gronkowski was without his protective boot at media day yesterday. Also, we do happen to have a couple of other decent receivers. Wes Welker and Aaron Hernandez aren't exactly easy to cover.
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    it was pretty much a drop.thats a pass that most good receivers will make and thats why I had never heard of that receiver before who dropped it because he isnt any good.No way in hell would hernandez or grobkowski have dropped that and yes,that field goal kicker is to blame a lot but not solely.thats why I stayed away from mentioning his name because it should not have come down to that.They should have had it in the bag if that receiver was any good and they would not have had to try the kick for overtime.
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    yeah thats what everybody was saying four years ago as well that the patriots would beat them by two or three touchdowns.:mrgreen::-D How quickly people seem to forget.:-D
     
  5. homerjay_s

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    It went down in the statistics as a defended pass, not a drop. Even then, there was still over a minute left and the Patriots had 2 timeouts. The Patriots were the better team against the Ravens, and not to take anything from the Giants, but the Patriots are going to best them if they bring their A game.
     
  6. arjay

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    IMO, the Giants should be the team favored by a FG, or at worst, it should be a pick 'em. Any prediction of either team "winning by 2 or 3 TD's", is purely wishful thinking. Of course it could happen, it's sports & anything can happen, but I view these teams very much even & a blowout not likely.
    One thing I worry about with the Giants, is that in the last few years they haven't done well in domes, so we'll see if that affects them. GO GIANTS!!!
     
  7. DA60

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    The Pats had the worst D in the AFC (y.p.g.a.).

    If the Giants offense and pass rush bring their 'A' game...the Pats will lose; if they don't, the Pats will win (imo).
     
  8. homerjay_s

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    The Patriots defense was much better over the second half than they were over the first half and while admittedly the competition wasn't strong offensively, they are strong against the run and provide very good pass rush pressure. The Giants pass rush will be less of a factor than in 08 because the Patriots offensive dynamic is far more predicated on a quick passing game than it was in 08. Short of Brady having a bad game, which he doesnt do back to back, the Patriots will win.
     
  9. DA60

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    We shall see.

    Bad defensive teams usually don't win Super Bowls (and the Pats defense is bad this year) if the other team is on their game.

    If the Giants can run, then Eli will have lots of time to throw and that will force the Pats to throw as well, which means the Giants front can tee off.
    And the Pack were a better offense then the Pats and Rodgers is at least as good as Brady this year...but the Giants got to him anyway.

    Plus the Giants beat the Pats this year.

    The main reason (imo) the Pats are favored is Bill Belichek's (well deserved) reputation.

    But, like I typed, we shall see.
     
  10. frodly

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    You have never heard of Lee Evans? That is on you, and doesn't reflect on Lee Evans ability(though he isn't a great receiver). Basically what you are saying, is you don't know much about football. Lee Evans has had more than 1 thousand yard receiving season. People who know about football have all heard of him.
     
  11. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

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    Lee Evans is a veteran reciever who was quite good with Buffalo....I'm surprised you've never heard off him.
     
  12. IgnoranceisBliss

    IgnoranceisBliss Well-Known Member

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    The New England defense is 15ish in points allowed per game, 2nd in bendability (yards per point surrendered), 2ndish in turn overs, and are the ONLY defense in the entire NFL through the regular season and post season to never give up more than 28 pts in a game.

    They're not great, but they're definitely not as bad as their YPG indicate, which is a silly stat anyway.
     
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    branch and ocho have been quiet

    they could also be factors
     
  14. homerjay_s

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    The main reason the Patriots are favored is.because that's where the spread needs to be for Vegas to take in even money on both teams. It is merely a financial/popularity barometer.

    If you want to base your position on average yards per game, the Patriots offender averaged 428 yards per game while their defense gave up 411 yards per game, a difference of +17 yards a game. The Giants defense allowed 376 yards per game, and their offense gained 385 yards per game, for an average of +9 yards per game.

    This measure gives the Patriots a slight edge.

    Now, let's look at points per game, a much more impactful statistic to the outcome of a game. The Patriots scored 32.1 points per game and gave up 21.4 points per game, a difference of 10.7 points per game. The Giants scores 24.6 points per game while giving up 25 points per game. That is a difference of -.4 points per game.

    The Patriots defense gave up 3.6 fewer points per game than the Giants. The Patriots offense scored 7.5 more points per game than the Giants.


    Clearly, this presents the Patriots chances in a different light.

    Also, during the heads up matchup this year, the Giants were the beneficiary of two very questionable pass interference calls late in the game that gave them the ball 1st and goal inside the 1 yard line. It was a close game, and surely the Giants made plays to win, and I'm not saying that the Giants can't ain't the Superbowl, but I feel pretty confident that the Patriots are the better team and that they will prove so on Sunday.
     
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    Branch maybe, but unlikely Ochocinco.
     
  16. DA60

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    No offense, but duh.

    I was referring to the reason that more money is being placed on the Patriots.

    Your reasoning is noted.

    We shall see what happens.
     
  17. homerjay_s

    homerjay_s New Member

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    Lol...I would suggest part of it has to do with demographics of support. Just because there is more money being bet on the Patriots doesn't necessarily mean that more people are betting on the patriots.
     
  18. DA60

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    Also, during the regular season, the Pats were 0-2 against the only two plus .500 teams they faced (Pittsburgh and the Giants).

    I don't care what ANYONE says...this Pats team played a relatively weak schedule, has a crap defense (for a Super Bowl team), a crap running game (they were outrushed 4.6 ypc to 4.0 ypc), are being carried by Tom Brady (just as N.O. And G.B. we're carried by their Q.B.'s in this year of the pass) and has simply gelled at the right time.

    I am not going to argue back and forth about something neither of us can change.

    If Brady does not play a great game and/or the Giants don't play a bad game....I think the Giants will win.

    But we will see what happens.
     
  19. homerjay_s

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    I respectfully disagree. 4.0 yards per carry is far from "a crap running game". Yardage gained is less relevant than points scored. The Patriots can't control their schedule. They can only play the games they were scheduled to play. They haven't lost a game since November 6th. The Patriots have a very under rated front seven on defense. They also have a passing game designed to get the ball of quickly and/or mitigate the pass rush through misdirection. They are very disciplined and they have the best QB in the game right now. All the talk about Eli Manning being in the conversation as part of the elite QB's in the game was merely aimed at making the public feel like this will be a close game. The Giants are being over hyped. They matched up well against Green Bay. Green Bay was the one defense in the league statistically behind the Patriots in yards per game and the Patriots offense out gained the Green Bay offense. The Giants were very very lucky to get past the 49er's in OT.

    No team gets to the super bowl without some luck. The only team the Giants beat during the regular season that finished with a winning record was the Patriots. The Giants also lost 4 games to teams that finished without winning records. The Patriots lost 1 game to teams without winning records.

    The notion that the Patriots have a far worse defense than the Giants, or that the Giants played more good games against better opponents, or that Eli Manning is even kind of comparable to Tom Brady as an NFL QB, it's just a bunch of talk by people that don't know what they're talking about.
     
  20. DA60

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    The 9th worst ypc rushing sucks for a Super Bowl team..especially when your defense also gives up the 9th most yards per carry in the league.

    And BTW - the Pats passing defense gave up the 4'th most yards per catch in the entire league.

    And all these crummy stats are despite the fact they only played 2 over .500 teams all regular season (and they lost both of them).

    To be honest, you sound biased.

    Me? I could care less about either team and I have no idea who will win.

    All I am saying is that the Pats are a one dimensional team....they live and die on Tom Brady's arm.

    You disagree?

    Fine.
     
  21. Raeka

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    Maybe someone else has already asked this but why don't they move the superbowl to Saturday instead of Sunday night?

    People have to go to work next day after all. At least some people.
     
  22. arjay

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    It won't happen because: The Game on Sunday is the culmination of the NFL's parties & activities leading up to it. Also, the regular season is mostly on Sundays, so it's tradition. Not to mention, the NFL doesn't give a crap that you have to go to work early Monday morning. If they did, Monday Night Football wouldn't have had a 9:00 East Coast start all those years.
     
  23. homerjay_s

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    Yeah, it'll never be on a Saturday. NFL football is on Sunday because the college games are on Saturday and they have agreements not to compete for audience. The only reason you see some playoff games on Saturday is because there are no more college games during the NFL playoffs.

    Super bowl Sunday is really a national holiday. More people are available Sunday evenings to watch it. It'll always be on a Sunday.
     
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    They need to have the Super Bowl somewhere where they can play real football, not arena football. Say...Green Bay. Or Buffalo. Or Chicago. Possibly Kansas City. No more domes!
     
  25. arjay

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    I'm not sure how indoor football equates to Arena football. I'm not a big fan of watching games in domes either, but I don't think it's like Arena football.
     

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