The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

No. This would hurt the world. And I am not sure, who will wipe the USA afterwards totally from this planet. By the way: Do you really think other nations in the world think the USA is a civilized nation? Most people in the world think the citizens of the USA are armed to the teeth barbarians. A Russian will think you say so because you are a potential thieve without success, who thinks about to murder his rich victim. But Russia likes not to be in the role of a future victim of the USA.

 

This is not an accurate representation of what the Prophet said.

Koran 5,73

"Those who say that God is the third of three are denying the truth; there is only One God".

and Koran 4,171.

"People of the Book....do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God".

His reference to God, Jesus, son of Mary in another passage only serves to show Jesus' humanity "he ate food like other men"

Needless to say, biblical scholars find no direct reference to the Trinity in the Bible, which is why Jehovah's Witnesses and other sects regard the Trinity as extra-scriptural dogma.

 

I did not say that the Quran is a good book. It's often very idiotic what's written in this book and no one understands really what's written there why; because Osman, the third Caliph, destroyed the context of the words of Mohammed in this book.

I hope I will have one day a little talk with "the mother of the believers", Aisha, who interpreted the words of her husband Mohamed often in another way than Osman did. Unfortunately he imprisoned her, so we do not know what she really had said. But looks like Osman himself lived in fear of the truth.

Christians do in general not deny any truth, because to deny truth means to deny god. And we say what we always said: We believe in the triune god: God father , god son and the holy spirit. Whatever Mohammed said in this context I do not know - but what Osman wrote into his Quran has nothing to do with the belief of Christians. In the Quran is written something about a kind of tritheism (mother Mary, son Jesus, father god) which has absolutely nothing to do with the belief of Christians in the triune god. To understand the word "triune" you can use the analogy of "space" - although the space has three dimensions (step forward-backward, step left-right, jump high and let you fall down) no one is able to step at any position outside of space. There's only one space. Our way is somehow "three-dimensional" but god is god in all dimensions.

And let me say additionally: Not only that's written bullshit about the Christian religion there - also in case of atheism or multi-theism no one gives Muslims or anyone else any right to murder people, who do not share their belief.

 

Needless to say that "Jehova" is a not existing word in the bible and needless to say that all Christians - whether they believe in the triune god or not, baptize their children in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit, because Jesus said us to do so.

And needless to say that Paulus was already 600 years before Mohammed came the antithesis of this violent politician when he spoke:

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If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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[interesting assertion, in your previous post, about the Koran; ie Osman changed (or added to?) Mohammed's words in the Koran...worth looking into; however, my quotes from the Koran, as it has come down to us, are accurate].

But obviously the usual Christian identification of Jesus' father with the OT God - whatever the various names of this OT God are (in Judaism) - is problematic, in fact impossible, if the Church's teaching is that all the biblical prophets are messengers of the true God, for reasons I outlined in post #174.

 

Before we do that, we need a reason to think he was lying.

 

And civilization would still exist.

 

I am making the argument here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nly-two-genders.530770/page-5#post-1068961859

You may join that discussion if you wish. I won't duplicate that discussion here.[/QUOTE]

Sick.

Regards
DL[/QUOTE]

Another county heard from. But seeing as how that thread is shut down, I will ask:

How moral can your morality system be if its tenets lead to the extinction of society through demographic suicide?

That seems sick to me. Literally. It is a sickness that leads to the death of civilization.[/QUOTE]

Look mat the demographics and population growth.

Do you see us heading for extinction?

Thanks for the red herring.

You would deny people the right to find loving life long partners without a just cause, again showing your poor morals as compared to mine.

Would you also have childless heterosexual couples to have children?

If not, why not?

Regards
DL

 

It is not surprising that some would want to distance themselves from bible God. He is rather satanic.

Regards
DL

 

My children would not agree with you or with the discrimination of people without a just cause.

Regards
DL

 

I think my cause is just. I don't see humanity heading for extinction, but I do see Western Civilization heading for extinction. I want to prevent that. I don't care for other cultures, they can take care of themselves.

Suppressing homosexuality and feminism is necessary for that to happen.

And yes, childless heterosexual couples are another feature of liberal sickness.

I don't find your recipe for cultural suicide as moral at all. I find it decadent and indulgent. Liberalism is the absence of values and so cannot be moral.

 

So you would end equality under the law as well.

Again you show your satanic morals.

You prefer barbaric stoning of unruly children and fornicators to liberal laws.

Ok. Get thee behind me Satan.

Regards
DL

 

Not at all, both heterosexuals and homosexuals should be forbidden from SSM

Yawn, anybody can throw around slurs.

Where does that come from?

 

You really think we don't have an overpopulation problem building? HARDLY any risk of "extinction" although the earth would certainly benefit.

HUH? Infertility is a "liberal sickness"???????????????? Such thinking seems to be an extremist sickness.

Ok that's ridiculous.

 

I am concerned with the extinction of Western Civilization, not of humanity as a whole. It is the advanced societies of the West that has an infertility problem and that problem is the motivation for encouraging the immigration of non-Western peoples.

Not if you consider the facts. Liberals are extremely infertile and as children replicate the values of their parents, liberalism is in a demographic death spiral. Conservatives have above replacement fertility. Liberalism is doomed to extinction by this reasoning, which seems sound enough to me. Ideologies which lead to extinction are sick.

We can leave my explanation of how liberals have no values for later.

Right now, let's explore the fact that liberal societies are dying due to infertility.

 

From your bible. You might read it some day.



Regards
DL

 

We Orthodox are not great Bible readers. That's a Protestant thing. We model our behavior on that of Orthodox saints and none of them ever stoned anyone. I get my understanding of Christianity from them not from you.

 

That is why your moral sense is inferior to mine I guess.

Regards
DL

 

I don't think it is. You get your moral sense from a sick ideology. Your morals are sick and the whole sick ideology will die from its disease in a few generations. Mine will endure.

 

So you see a person's values as being in a cause/effect relationship to their health??? LOL!!!

 

False if you christian you don't believe you're good then. Being Christian means you follow a savior good to people don't need a savior if you sin you are not good if you are without sin what need do you have of Christ?

 

How - when not even the Arabic language of the time of Mohammed is correct in this book? And by trying to conserve something what's not able to be conserved - spirit lives - "you" forgot the simple truth "panta rhei". Also languages change. A language without change is dead. That's why we have to retranslate the bible from time to time for example. Without a kind of new prophet or new guru it is difficult to say what's really written in the Quran.

Unfortunately the English culture of colonialism changed the complete context of the political Islam, when they created and destroyed the Mahdi in the Sudan by using new weapons of mass-murder. Somehow we fight today still against the results of the machine guns of the Brits, when we fight against the Islamist terror. And "we" don't think about the results of our weapons today for the still unknown future.

Nothing is a problem in context with god. Human beings are the problem. They kill whatever and murder whomever they like to murder - if 'necessary' on reason of an instruction manual for how to tie ties. But what happens with their own breed and with the basic conditions for all and every life on planet Earth they do not like to take care.

 

Thanks for that video of lovely choral singing. I love the way the conductor extracts beautiful sounds from his choir.

 

Of course.

But humans need teachers; and as you have noted in relation to the Koran, and which I point out in relation to the Bible - especially the OT - our present scriptures are unreliable.

As Mohammed said: "There is only One God".

Therefore the task of present day theologians is to extract the truths from the OT, the NT, and the Koran and present their findings to the world in a new book, so that we can all become "the Peoples of the Book".

 

His words are reason enough.