The people who stormed the capital are.......

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The people who stormed the capital are.......

  1. Patriots trying to save America, and do not deserve to go to jail

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  2. Seditious traitors who should be tossed in jail as long as the law allows.

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    Pardon my skeptical viewpoint on how the BLM/ANTIFA mobs will be handled in courts -- if, indeed, any of them are ever arraigned at all! The 'MAGA hat' people will get the full legal 'treatment', and you'll be seeing it nightly on the mainstream hyperliberal "news" media. How many years in prison will the 'MAGA hat people' get? How many years in prison will the BLM/ANTIFA rioters get? All we can say for sure at this point is that time will tell.... :lol:

    But, no, I do not approve of "Donnie's" handling of anything about this in the least, going all the way back to the loss of all of the election result challenges. You think he's my "Dear Leader"...? Then you haven't been paying attention, but why should you? Like most of the rest of us who just obey the laws and pay taxes (instead of being one of those who lives off a welfare 'gravy-train'), I'm a NOBODY. To be clear -- I voted for Donald Trump, twice, ONLY because the Democrat candidate alternatives were just unbelievably horrible and even far, far worse for this country!

    Consider this: chief among Trump's faults since the election is in not (NOT) knowing when he's been defeated.

    Lyndon Johnson should have realized after the 'Tet Offensive' in 1968 that, because he didn't blockade Haiphong Harbor, the Vietnam War was hopelessly lost.

    Hitler should have realized after his momentous defeat at Stalingrad in early 1943 -- and with more and more frequent Allied bombing raids from Britain -- that the European War was hopelessly lost.

    At about the same point in history, the Japanese military dictatorship, after suffering catastrophic defeats at Midway and the Battle of the Coral Sea should have realized that their Pacific war was hopelessly lost.

    But neither Donald Trump, Lyndon Johnson, Adolf Hitler, nor Hideki Tojo understood REALITY when it was clear that each of them would not ever win another decisive victory.... But what followed each of them was delusion and an even more profound, disastrous defeat than would have ensued if they had simply accepted the relevant facts.
     
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  2. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The kharmic wheel turns and balance is restored.

    The ocean of irony generated provides a momentarily pleasing view.
     
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    No, Jonsa. The 'pendulum' has swung, from one unhappy situation to another -- that's all.

    After what we've all been through in 2020, I had hoped that we could have a much better year before us, but that hope is fading away quickly. The only hope that we Americans have now is that the Federal Reserve central bank goes on buying non-existent 'bonds' while it prints even more imaginary money! :alcoholic:

    Ol' Joe will need to tell 'his people' to roll up their sleeves! They'll be busy shoveling out the welfare money NON-STOP throughout 2021... but, after all, running robust welfare programs is the Democrat Party's 'core-competency' -- and it has been ever since Frankie Roosevelt's regime during the 1930's....
     
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    Sounds like you think you already know. Tell us then.
     
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    Are you suggesting that those charged with federal crimes will not have their day in court? The monuments EO trump signed is in force, much to the chagrin of his most faithful insurrectionist followers and allies.

    Time will tell. so far, I believe there are more federal charges and arrests for the Capitol attack than for the hudreds of BLM protests. NOt that scale and proportion are considerations but hey, I get it.


    thank you for clearing up your position for me. I realize that millions of Americans feel the same way you do and deplore his behavior. This is reflected in recent public polling (for what its worth). Differing political perspectives resolved by free and fair elections is EVERYTHING American Democracy is about.

    But for some reason the the far right fascist white nationalist QAnon lowlifes (with entirely different motivations and objectives) exploited the true MAGA cultists and all of Trump's lies and butt hurt narcissism while wearing proudly mixing in and wearing the hats. Hence the desecration of the Capitol in all of its horrific historic symbolism.
     
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    You say patato I say patato. And balance shall be returned.

    Oh for crying out loud. Biden is coming into a bigger clustermuck than Obama. The hoax Pandemic has killed almost 400,000 so far with the end way down the road, and the resulting devastating economic impact has been building up to a devastating climax if the government doesn't take strong decisive action. How many americans are facing eviction or foreclosure? How many small businesses have evaporated? the healthcare system is stressed to the maximum. More americans are unemployed now than when trump took office. Trump has added almost $8 trillion in debt in four years (granted covid impacted this choker stat). And has NO CHOICE but to spend more, a lot more.

    But sure Democrats will destroy american because of their core competency - running massive welfare programs. I realize this is a fundamental part of republican/conservative dogma because it provides such a nice cover for the fact that republicans/conservatives don't give a crap about those that don't have for whatever reason unless its them.
     
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    exactly my point which you're missing somehow.
    you equate ANTIFA/BLM with truly horrid inhuman insane creatures bent on the worst possible cos they hate the Left.
    ANTIFA/BLM were forced into being by those who created killing monsters over decades of hate spew into attacking.
    you better believe the streets will be hot if they don't back down and vanish, which of course they won't do readily.
    if haters refuse to behave and adhere to the things they claim to cherish then don't blame those who face them down.
     
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    Rather than argue with you, I'll simply point out that in every 'headliner' case where the ANTIFA/BLM mobs went on rioting rampages with looting and arson last year, it was because of 'outrage' over the police handling of situations where suspects were being arrested on suspicion of having committed CRIMES. In exactly one (ONE) of those situations, a policeman may have committed a crime himself -- on George Floyd. We don't know yet because although the ex-policeman will stand trial on at least one death-related charge, the result is not yet known.

    But in the other situations, go back and look! What do you see? Does any rational person think that the police just went joy-riding around looking for blacks to harass -- just for the fun of it?! NO. The police were sent out to make ARRESTS! But that didn't stop the ANTIFA/BLM mobs from embracing the criminal suspects as being some kind of poor, put-upon "victims", and then to go out in a blind rage and destroy everything they could lay their hands on, or, to steal it and carry it away. Is that just?

    Again -- if I ruled the world, ALL the people involved in any of these events, whether violent, law-breaking 'MAGA hat' protesters or ANTIFA/BLM rioters, thugs, and thieves would ALL be arrested, charged with the appropriate crimes, thrown in jail, and if found guilty in courts of law, made to suffer the assigned punishment. How can it be any more just than that...?
     
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    you wanna be a copologist and blame others then that's why the fight is needed and we're finally winning.
     
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    The more their education, the less likely they will become right wing domestic terrorists, the largest group of terrorist activity in the USA.
     
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    Again, let’s just keep blaming the poor. They’re hoarding all the money and making it less safe for right wing domestic terrorists to travel, congregate, trespass, beat up cops and traffic weapons accross.state lines.
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out how a social racial justice movement protesting police violence and systemic discrimination, is linked to a loose knit bunch of extremely anti fascist dudes whose primary mission is to confront racist fascist white nationalist scumbags.

    For all you conservatives out there you should consider Antifa the ying to the Proud Boys yang, only without as much organization.

    And is it just me or is there a decided lack of self awareness when the defenders of insurrection excoriate the race riots and antifascism of the left while but readily use them as an equivalency?
     
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    spot on
    the answer is, they've known they've been wrong forever and refuse to ever stop being wrong cos they like being wrong.
    you can't fight that toxic mentality without drastic measures.
     
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    And some are just losers who can’t get laid without paying for it.....Take Trump for example. .
     
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    C. They're freaking idiots that broke the law against rioting and should be thrown in jail after a fair hearing and conviction.
     
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    It’s “hilarious.” Many who worship guns will never be able to pass a background check after prosecution. They’ll have to take advantage of the “ gun show” loop hole.
     
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    Eh. While there is a correlation between education and increase in tolerance the reasons for this seem to be more class based or due to some other controlling variable. If you have money your position isn’t as threatened by people with opposing views.
     
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    And, increased education correlates well with increased earning power. The idea that people attain wealth on hard work alone is a fallacy for the vast majority of people. Education, education, education and more, obviously requires hard work too. It doesn’t come easily. We have tens of thousands of unfilled engineering jobs that businesses are forced to fill with foreign nations. 20% plus of medical doctors are FNs. It’s ridiculous because needed education is financially out of reach for most.
     
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    You call what's going on in the United States right now a prime example of your faction "winning"...?! Then we Americans are in even a worse hell of a mess than I had imagined.

    In my hometown here in Colorado, the next time there's an initiative to increase taxes to pay for more police and an increase in police salaries, I'll be sure to vote FOR it, even though I'm not a tax-enthusiast.
     
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    And, as usual, prosecution for illegal activities during gop administrations continues to increase unabated. This balance will never be restored.
     
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    think of the lunatic fringe that wants to get rid of the police as the left wing equivalent of the QAnon batshit crazy MAGA tribe.

    Ensuring the police have sufficient funding is not a partisan thing in the least. Its a rational common community need that every decent non radical member of that community supports.

    BTW, I noticed a number of police being beaten under the Blue Lives flags by insurrectionists and the bearded guy that was beating the cop with an american flag pole on the steps of congress was LATER ranting about death being the solution and everyone in the place was a traitor.

    So go easy on the koolaid and consider it from position of balance.
     
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    What a pantload of crap! I don't blame "the poor" -- I blame those who commit CRIMES, no matter what color they are, whether they wear "MAGA" hats, or are part of ANTIFA/BLM. Those who commit CRIMES are the ones who need to be arrested, locked up, and made to bear responsibility for what they have DONE!

    Hell, even everybody's favorite 2020 black 'saint', George Floyd, was in the process of resisting arrest for the crime of PASSING COUNTERFEIT MONEY! But he's some kind of 'hero'...?! He's some kind of 'martyr'...?! To what cause?! What total bullshit! :spin:
     
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    As long as police have to deal with right wing terrorism, which is more heavily armed the any BLM group, you won’t see a reduction in “ swat” teams and the like and ultimately their budget.
     
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    C.) Antifa and BLM and Leftist instigators
     

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