The Price of Freedom

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Jul 11, 2021.

  1. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    And even more importantly the Second Amendment only restricted the federal government. Any discrimination with regards to who could own a gun was a states' issue unaffiliated with the Second Amendment.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure how the Supreme Court worked at the time but if a state impeded your constitutional rights you could take the state to court at least you can now.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You couldn't be more incorrect if you tried, the Cincinnati revolution had little to do with Carter and everything to do with getting the NRA to grow up and cease being a OF's gun club.

    You seem to really not understand what pushed the NRA to form the ILA and if they had not done such, private gun ownership in this country would have been eliminated by now.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again 100% false, a large part of what formed the NRA in the beginning was fighting for the rights of blacks to be able to own firearms and who didn't want blacks t be armed?

    It was a white bigoted concept actually born out of the whites in the North, not the South.
     
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    Also the ku Klux Klan fought to have gun control because they were worried about the black people being armed if there aren't they're harder to Lynch or run out of town.

    I'm reminded of that statement armed gays don't get bashed. Armed blacks don't get lynched. I am pro-arming individuals. The individual is the first line of defense for their own rights rights is basic as the right to life.

    Which is why I take issue with the attempt to deny firearms to people with mental health issues. It's more often there the victims of crime than they are the perpetrators of it.
     
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    Gun laws only unarm law abiding citizens. Nothing else needs to be said.
     
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  8. Galileo

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    You have your centuries mixed up. The NRA wasn't around in the 18th Century. The Second Amendment's origins are racist since "the people" in it only included white people.
     
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    Not true. What about all the unarmed criminals in the UK and Australia (as evidenced by their very low gun crime rates)?
     
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    Then the whole Constitution and Bill of Rights are racist.

    So what?
     
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    Their rates were always fairly low.
     
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    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    People with mental health issues may injure or even kill themselves with guns. Guns make already existing problems worse.
     
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    Or with ropes, belts, knives or high places.

    Lots of items fall into this category.
     
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    Bigotry towards people with mental health issues is also part of gun control.

    Anybody could injure or kill themselves with guns.

    No they don't make excusing problems worse. They allow you to defend yourself.

    Why do you want those with mental health problems to be denied rights?
     
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    Because he wants everyone to be denied their rights.
     
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    But as he made clear hell settle for people being second class citizens.

    This is the detestable reality of gun control. It's all about having power over people.
     
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    The reality is they can make existing problems no longer be a problem.

    Guns are used by the law abiding many more times annually to protect themselves from criminals, than criminals use guns to commit crimes.

    However the anti-gunners will never admit that because they need death to promote their cause.

    To them murder = a paycheck.
     
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    Gang driven shootings. I live near a gang area. And you want me to lose my right to self defense against those that break laws, don't follow gun control laws now and would have me at a disadvantage. Why not focus on why and how young men join these gangs and work to give these people a future instead.
     
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    The anti-gunner never consider that fact, or the fact it is something like 200,000 law abiding Americans annually prevent a violent crime from being committed by being trained and armed.

    They also ignore how many people have been injured or killed due to some of the draconian anti-gun laws they have successfully passed in some areas.
     

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