The Real Issue at the heart of this 2020 Election - Domestic Terrorism rising

It's hard to argue that there is no systemic racism. The argument lies in how to address it. No matter how much money is thrown at systemic racism it will continue to exist until there is buy in not only from white America but also from black America.

 

Good grief- seems your purpose here is to convince people the right are the terrorists, and Trump leads them. You won't find any Trump supporters out there burning cities, rioting, defunding police, or anything like that . You will find left wing radicals, liberals, progressives, anarchists, antifa, etc. Some will be called "right wing radicals", but in fact they are doing left-wing work.

Trump hasn't caused anything- except hostility, because he IS IN THE WAY of these terrorists. Of course they trash talk him. We hope, although we are too often disappointed- that rational people will continue to think for themselves and not buy into the lynch-mob mentality that helps the left hide the truth of what they really do. Far more gullible minds out there than anyone would have imagined, that actually cannot understand the difference between riot and protest, crime and order.

You for example know damn well that Trump has not caused any of this- but those who fear his leadership will do their best to call it that way.
Blacks and minorities have done far better under Trump than Obama, and they are smart enough to know that.

 

Can you give me an example of what you deem to be systemic racism? When I think systemic racism I think Jim Crow era and actual laws that enforce racism. I see many on the left point to police brutality as systemic racism for example yet I can't find how the system is enforcing that? Is there state mandated training that is teaching/forcing officers to kill unarmed black people? Is there evidence that only black people receive this treatment? The only systemic issue I see is policies that you have already spoken out about. Throwing money at issues instead of addressing criminal culture that destroys communities. Destroyed communities drive out affluent people who can afford to get away from it. That results in less tax money and opportunity for that area. That results in public schools and other facilities deteriorating leading to a lack of education. This results in more crime and the cycle goes on. Throw in a few riots for good measure and you have a hopeless situation that no amount of federal funding will fix. I don't think it's systemic racism, I think it's exactly what you said, people are afraid to tell the poor black community that they may be responsible for their current state instead of leading them to believe it's all white people's fault. American tax payers have been trying to help them for decades, the best thing is for them to start helping themselves and policing(and acknowledging) the bad elements of their own society. Also the systemic racism argument, I believe, drives the distrust that these communities have in the police which allows the criminal element to thrive in their communities.

 

Ever hear of Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier?

Antifa isn't even a group. It's just a name someone made up for anybody who wanted to call themselves that. In any case, you show no references. So that takes care of that. And I have zero interest in defending Antifa. Because I don't think violence is the best way to deal with fascists (at this point). However, equating them to actual terrorists like McVeigh or the white supremacists at Charlottesville is just pure garbage. Nothing we would expect a serious poster to do.

 

At Charlottesville there was 1 death. Just one. As I pointed out earlier there are at least 30 deaths connected to BLM protests. So who's protests are more lethal? What has any right wing group done in the last 2 decades that comes anywhere close to McVeigh?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/1...victims-since-mostly-peaceful-protests-began/

 

You mean false ideas like cops are hunting down and killing black people? Oh an for what it is worth there have been more instances of leftist inspired domestic terrorism in the last 90 days in the American Northwest than of right with terrorism in the last 100 years. And that's assuming they got the attribution right which they seldom if ever do.

 

Your post touches on some examples that have contributed to the divide we find ourselves in.

To answer your question regarding my definition of systemic racism, let me put it in a different term. I would use unintended consequences to describe how I view systemic racism. This may be a generational difference in definition and I apologize if I'm not expressing my opinion better. I don't think police officers are trained to be racist. I do think that they go into primarily black neighborhoods with a different expectation then if they were going into a white neighborhood. Do they have a reason to approach the situation differently, yes.

Bottom line, racism does exist and it will exist for a long time because it's driven by cause and effect. If X didn't do this than Y wouldn't do that.

 

Its unfortunate your "research" didn't teach you more about Anti fa. And that you think I need your approval to be credible.

 

Let's take a look at the numbers associated with the "serious threat" of right wing extremism, shall we?

Okay, it's hilariously laughable to call a guy who shot up a COUNTRY MUSIC concert a right wing terrorist. There is NOTHING that ever linked Stephen Paddock to any sort of right wing political affiliations or leanings of any sort, but they're desperate to shoehorn him in there to pump up the victim numbers. Sorry, you don't get to put the Illinois Nazi uniform on Paddock, it's just too silly of a stretch.

So that leaves us with 87 victims, and, to make it easier, I'll just assume the assailants who killed them were all card-carrying Boogaloo Nazis.

Okay, so 87 victims in 3 years. We'll call that about 30 victims per year.

30 people killed by right-wing extremists per year, across the entire country.

Let's put that in perspective.



Nearly twice as many people fell victim to street violence just this past weekend in Chicago than the number of people who are killed by right wing terrorists over the span of a year across the entire country.

So that's the size of the nationwide threat posed by right wing extremists annually- about half the size of the threat posed by the streets of Chicago on any given weekend.

 

I don't support either of the 2 parties, but if you are discussing terrorism during this election, the left leads by a huge margin. Trump is the lesser of evils on this issue.

 

So there's an average of about 30 people killed by right wing extremists annually in the US.

How many people have been killed in the left-wing-extremist-driven riots so far?

 

The risk of harm to a US citizen from "IS" terrorism combined Al Qaeda is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "Walking" - you heard correct. Right wing extremism is not much higher.

Domestic terrorism of a different form is occurring - such that it is not always terrorism - such as someone setting a garbage bin on fire..in some act of civil unrest .. you seem to be conflating the distinction between these groups ..a little too much .. sure they are related but there are important distinctions - as are the causes.

IS - as in the Islamic State created in Syria - we created so the solution is to stop arming IS / Al Qeada and other Saudi spawn of the same ilk.

Right wing Extremists ? == not sure ..

Civil Unrest - This is a different kettle of fish - one which was cause by Bad Law - violations of the Rule of Law and the Constitution - illegitimacy of authority gone too far.

This is what the war on Drugs has brought us.

 

Sounds like a Flaming Troll to me ... or would that be a "Flame - baiting" lure .. Fishing anyone ?

 

The Real Issue at the heart of this 2020 Election

I believe it is the existential threat of climate change.

 

Tell it to China and India.

Good luck with that.

 

So going where the criminals are to protect those most at risk from criminal behavior us racist?

 

Yeah, that's exactly what I said............/s

 

Yep! People did die "connected" (whatever that means) to BLM protests. Most of them BLM protesters.

 

So you make a wild statement, and you refuse to support it with proper arguments... or retract.

Ok.... It's your credibility that's on the line...

 

Wrong.

 

Well you were talking about systemic racism I thought?

 

Name one BLM protestor who has died...

Antifa is an actual organization every bit as much as BLM which is run by a convicted domestic terrorist, one of the people pardoned by Clinton. It would appear at this point that antifa's definition of fascist is, in essence, anyone who disagrees with them about pretty much anything. Both groups are almost entirely Caucasian and one suspects that their membership rolls relect a large crossover.

 

If you belief Anti fa "only carries out acts of violence against fascists" you need not concern yourself with my credibility. I'm curious though, when they are attacking government buildings and LEO's, what does that have to do with fascism? How about blocking roads and beating peoples vehicles with clubs IN DOWNTOWN PORTLAND, what does that have to do with fascism?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...lice-was-an-avowed-anarchist-authorities-say/

https://www.csis.org/analysis/who-are-antifa-and-are-they-threat

The point of my post still stands, even though it obviously went way over your head.

 

Two in Kenosha. I don't know their names.

As far as the rest. Not really interested in QAnon conspiracy theories. Knowing they exist is bad enough.

 

If you want to make a case, YOU make the case. Links are necessary to support your case, but should not be used to make the case for you (see forum rules). Quotes and arguments are required. The purpose of the links is only so we can verify your sources. But you make your own point.