The REAL Reason the Hard Left Supports Gun Control

I'm not.

Shocker I know

 

It's not a prefect world. Obviously, as you have indicated in some of your posts, we can't reach zero deaths. So give me a number that would be acceptable to you.

 

Take an average of Europe canada and Australia per capita deaths. I will settle for that

 

Are we not better. Why settle for their small numbers. Let's take all guns and try to approach zero. I really get tired of being compared to other nations. We are not an average of Europe , we are not Canada, we are not Australia. We are AMERICA. We are different. We are what the rest of the world wanted to be not too many years ago. What happened. We had guns years ago, why now do we have all these problems.

 

We are not 25 times worse than those nations. If we had 25 times the traffic deaths they have there would be riots in the streets demanding more traffic laws

 

Somewhat valid answer but you didn't address all of my post.

 

We have these problems because we have them. I just want solutions. I see what works elsewhere and say we need that. It's that simple

 

Why not use what works where I live? The gun laws seem to work here. We have a much lower murder rate than other parts of the US.

 

It does not work in the city. And no we are not moving everyone to the country

 

While I certainly understand thinking this guy should die I'm opposed to the death penalty in general. I think it helps foster an atmosphere of retribution. We're a nation guided by laws, not vengeance.

 

You have all these problems 'now' (as opposed to earlier generations) because market forces resulted in the US being flooded with realtivly cheap, high capacity assault rifles and hand guns for 'self defense'.

The firearms industry is like no other 'consumer good' market in the modern world. By its very nature any rifle, shotgun or handgun manufactured since the beginning of the 20th century (and in some cases even older) is perfectly capable of functioning today provided it has been properly maintained and the ammunition is still being made. If your great, great grandfather purchased a bolt action hunting rifle back in the 1930's and it was lovingly maintained by every generation since it would still be 'good to go' today. No other consumer product can match that kind of longevity unless it is put in storage somewhere and seldom if ever used. So by the 70's/80's the market for that kind of firearms had peaked.

So what is a firearms manufacturer to do? There are only so many new lever/bolt/pump action hunting rifles that can be sold every year into the US market. Answer - the 'self defense market'. And even that has now reached saturation point. How many firearms manufacturers in the US have entered or are struggling with Chapter 11? The US is literally 'flooded' with cheap firearms.

As a result it only requires a (relatively) tiny % of those weapons to leak into the black market and/or an even smaller % of US firearm owners to 'go rogue', do something stupid or otherwise 'f up' for mayhem to ensue.

Which also goes a long way to explaining why the rest of the developed world doesn't 'want to be the US'. We all have TV's and computers and can see the results/figures for ourselves. Which BTW is not to say there aren't other factors/characteristics of the US which are admired - just that your gun culture isn't one of them.

 

Good point.

 

Please prove this. Handguns and semiautomatic rifles have been available for a 100 years, and our homicide rate has fallen since the 80s and 90s. Heck, the government sold M1 Carbines to citizens for $20 in the 60s.

I'd say that it's not a gun culture issue - there's been a significant change in social structure of the US, where people are will to kill to be famous, coupled with a lack of mental health treatment.

 

Better idea: repeal all the idiotic drug laws and free the millions of people serving hard time for non-violent drug offenses. Guess what? Plenty of room for the truly violent and we'd save taxpayer dollars all over the place.

 

Slow down, what chance? I don't get it, is some cosmic aligning of the stars and planets you are talking about or just utter nonsense like it sounds? Not to be a jerk, but most six year old kids couldn't hold up and handle the limited kick on most semi-automatics long enough to do any significant damage, much less kill hundreds. Your delusions are sort of scary...

 

There is no evidence to support such a claim. It is nothing more than unfounded, politically-motivated speculation, spurred on by a dislike for the availability of modern firearms.

 

These guns have been around for 100 years.

Glorious, isn't it?

We don't care.

 

The GOP will never go for it

 

The firearms industry figured out the best way to make profits is to market fear.

Fear sells

 

Which part? My comment that old firearms, if well maintained are still perfectly fit for purpose? The part about market saturation? Even though Colt and Remington both filed for bankruptcy in the recent past, not withstanding the fact they both make excellent products. Or the part about the shift in the market towards self protection/home defense products in US firearms marketing since the 80's

Here's a nifty little chart from a survey conducted in 2015 By Harvard & North Eastern Universities.



'Handguns Are the New Home Security' NYT - By Julie Turkewitz & Troy Griggs, October 14 2016

Here's another one:


From: The Rise of Self Defense in Gun Advertising, David Yamane, Sebastian Ivory & Pauline Yamane, 20 Oct 2017. University of Arizona Gun Studies Symposium.

BTW, I didn't buy in to the pros and cons of the shift, or other points raised in either of the above documents. I merely noted that a shift had occurred.

Finally while I can dig into the statistics if I have to but do I really need to support the proposition that only a tiny % of firearms need to 'leak' into the black market, or otherwise be accessible to people who shouldn't have access for mayhem to ensue?

And I'm not anti 'modern firearms' since i have used or been trained on several types in a professional capacity.

 

It's not the firearms industry that uses fear, it's the anti-gunners who uses such in every chance they can.

They post statements like "how many more children must die in their math class's," to gin up support of their false narrative, while fully knowing their goal is to eliminate all private firearm ownership in the U.S.

They are total liars and they know it.

They are very evil and sick people, why else would they use the bodies of dead children to promote their cause versus actually addressing the root problem, which is not firearms?

 

Nope. It's the NRA with the fear they sell and the paranoia that everyone is coming to take your guns.

Fear is the firearm marketing strategy.


And fear sells

 

This is why I'm an independent. People make excuses to not push valid agendas because they don't want to go against their party.

 

Totally incorrect, the NRA supports eliminating access to firearms by those who should not have access to them, the anti's only stand on the bodies of dead children while haling their false, rights grabbing narrative.

The anti's don't care about life, all they care about is using death to promote their cause, they are very sick and mentally ill.

On the other hand the NRA cares about people being able to protect their own life and the lives of those around themselves .

 

The NRA supports fear because that is what sells and they are owned by the firearms industry.


Fear sells