The remarkably bizarre narrative that Dems rigged the election.

How else can you rationalize the concerted effort begun in 2019 by Democrat operatives to get 20 plus states to, by hook or crook, legally or not, institute universal mail-in balloting, expand drop boxes, allow ballot harvesting, loosen voter verification, etc?

 

It's very simple: there has probably never been a president more hated than Trump. A lot of people voted negatively against him, not positively for Biden.

 

The pandemic, and attempts to mitigate the dangers of mass spreader events while waiting in line at the polls. Why is that not a good reason? I don't know about the legalities, and indeed it sounds like at times these might have been grey areas, maybe worse. But how do you establish nefarious intent? The desire to keep people from dying is a very good reason to try to expand the things you mentioned.

 

Then given those massive changes, isn’t it prudent to verify the vote after to make sure those changes weren’t taken advantage of?

 

The attempt to institutionalize massive voter shenanigans began long before COVID. COVID pandemic was simply an Easter bunny Easter egg gift that greatly enhanced their efforts; they were not having a great success in their drive with the states until COVID came on the scene. The illegality comes from their effort with the states' administrations to get them to act knowing fairly well that the legislatures had exclusive and plenary control over elections. I doubt nefarious is the correct word. I think they knew they were pulling clever tricks but I don't think they thought of it as villainous or wicked. While they were aware their strategy might allow for what could be called ballot stuffing or illegals voting or other bad stuff, they did not at all, AFAIK, push or condone that directly giving them cover and plausible deniability.

 

I'm sorry, but the whole thing reeks of an answer in search of an explanation. So many suggested avenues of fraud, all debunked. Your theory can't be properly debunked without actually doing the signature audit, so you hold it up as evidence of bad faith by those who don't want it done. But as I've explained, there are very good reasons not to go down the 20th rabbit hole. Find some good statistical evidence, which Trump's lawyers couldn't do, and there might be an argument.

 

Regardless of whether the correct processes were followed (for the moment), isn't trying to stop people from dying a good motivation for changing the laws?

 

At the very least, they are showing the number of people who experienced damage due to the wrath of Trump. Yesterday's hearings focused almost solely on that. Don't those people deserve to be heard? And don't the American people have a right to know the lengths to which a POTUS administration would go to promote a knowing and proven lie? I will agree that we need laws put in place to ensure people understand there are consequences for attempting to subvert election results, but that will be much easier when it is shown to have happened.

 

It's also POSSIBLE that Dirty Donnie wanted to stall the election results and force a House vote that would have gotten him back into the White House.
It's also POSSIBLE that a signature audit would be inconclusive, in which case the certified results would stand.

Lastly, I don't believe for a second you're interested in election integrity. You just didn't like the result of this last election.

Actually, you do need a reason to audit the results of a vote. If you didn't, every state the Republicans won would need to be audited as well.
If you want vote audits, talk to your congressman and get a law passed. Until then, current legislation controls.

 

a bit of an exaggeration, but look at the opponant, that's the man who really got people to want to vote.

 

None were debunked. None were proven in a court of law -- very long and hard to do -- but none were debunked; not the same thing at all. There was considerable evidence or at least reasonable suspicion of fraud in December 2020, but nothing that could be proven in any court on anywhere near a timely basis. There has been solid evidence of fraud in about 5 or 6 states (so far) since developed over 2021 and 2022, but it is unlikely anything will come of it.

 

Yes it is. It is also a damn good rationalized excuse.

 

None were debunked? Have a look at post #22.

 

Well you started by responding to whether you believed the election was stolen with "How else can you rationalize the concerted effort begun in 2019 by democrat operatives.... ?". You seem to be agreeing now that stopping people dying is a reasonable explanation for that effort, even if you don't believe it.

 

An erudite post to be sure, but denying claims is not the same as debunking. Someone makes a claim of wrong doing that they say they observed, and someone else refutes that claim and says it never happened: that is not debunking. I agree that in your post #22 there maybe was a claim or two that was disproved, but that does not refute all the evidence, reasonable suspicion, and claims of wrong doing and even fraud.

 

Why would expanding voter participation need to be rationalized? It should be celebrated. Especially since it didn't result in any more issues with voting than usual. Meaning a statistically insignificant amount of fraud.

 

Not exactly, no. It is a reasonable excuse but not an explanation. You cannot say that an effort begun long before COVID is warranted because of COVID.

 

That should more accurately say more valid voter participation is good. More voters or especially just more votes is not at all necessarily good.

 

Rational Americans should always presume that whenever election fraud is possible it has happened.
The US is notorious for election rigging. The DP in particular has always relied on political violence and election rigging for its survival.

Rigging elections is the main raison d'etre of the Democratic Party.
The DP even rigs its own primaries and nomination process.

“Brazile has written in a new book that she discovered evidence that she said showed Hillary Clinton’s campaign ***"rigged"*** the Democratic presidential primary.

"ABC's World News Tonight," "NBC Nightly News" and "CBS Evening News" all didn't report the allegations by Brazile on Thursday evening despite it receiving considerable coverage on cable news and in print and online media. Brazile was also trending as one of Twitter's top topics on Thursday.”
THE HILL, Network newscasts don't mention Brazile Clinton-DNC revelations, BY JOE CONCHA - 11/03/17. (*** mine)
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...-dont-mention-brazile-clinton-dnc-revelations

 

As I said, a big problem is the florid number of claims, some of which were complete BS. 5000 dead people voting in Georgia? No, actually 4, as Brian Kemp explained yesterday. Suitcase under the desk contains fraudulent ballots? No, normal procedure, which the Trump campaign, with access to the full video, had the evidence for. Video shows one election worker passing another a USB drive to plug into a machine and change the totals, as Giuliani alleged? No, it was a ginger mint. The ridiculous statistical analysis submitted to the Supreme court by the Texas AG.... On and on. So when multiple claims are made in bad faith you can't blame people for saying "Oh god, not another claim". If there were actually real fraud problems, then Trump basically destroyed any chance at getting at them with all of his fabricated claims.

 

How do you know the 2 things are connected? Unless you can prove they are, covid is absolutely an explanation.

 

So the polls and pundits say but I think you and thy

All that shows is what an abysmally HORRIFYING candidate Trump really was. Despite having every racist and ethnicist bigot in America seeing him as the Great White Nationalist Hope he STILL was MUCH better at turning out the vote AGAINST him rather than for.

What's bull is the contention that white supremacists are the majority of even your minority party. They seem numerous because they're generally loud as bullhorns, that's true, but remember what sort of barrels make the most noise.

 

uh...you do recall this little incident called the Pandemic, don't you? (Geez, I'd HEARD Trumpublicans were out of touch but, good googley....)

 

One poll might be wrong, but when multiple polls say the same thing, they are seldom wrong.

 

Like I said, I’m cool with that. Just remember that when you all scream fraud when ole Dirty Donnie wins the presidential election in 2024.

When you come to us and say he cheated! We are going to say where’s your proof? You’ll say this is our evidence but we need an investigation to get the proof. We will say sorry, all of your “evidence” can be explained away as POSSIBLY being something other than fraud. So therefore, that’s not sufficient grounds for your investigation. We need proof for the investigation. Y’all will say but we need the investigation in order to find the proof. We’ll respond with that’s too bad, we need the proof before you can investigate to find the proof.

Good luck.