The Russian Orthodox Church abroad urged to remove Lenin from red square

In USA Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Freedom of Association are meaningless, when people are being fired for Politically Incorrect opinions.

 

so you disagree with RPC abroad ? did Old Testament kings turn the Jews into the slaves too? by the way what salaries had Lenin´s nomenclature and ordinary peasants /workers ?

 

"Doesn't he know that all of...." zhanna , LOL T. Snyder is the N1 expert on Rus´(all Ruses) subject in the academic world . hated by many but his is BIG very big , dont humiliate yourself, you can not compere your Rus´ knowledge with his

 

Actually the social benefits that are attributed to Lenin were formed by Tsar Nicholas II. Tsar Nicholas II also had plans made up to distribute his estates to the serfs, but he couldn't carry them out until the war ended. The Bolsheviks knew that if the Tsar was able to carry out his plans that they would never be able to acquire power, so they were in a rush to take over the country.

The Tsar's free press was used for propaganda by the Bolsheviks and others and predates Goebbels. Other than the vicious gossip about Alexandra, they had the nobility believing the Tsar was planning on breaking up their estates and giving the land to the serfs rather than giving them his own land.

Considering the day and age, these things the Tsar proposed to do were amazing... and why he is considered a saint in the Orthodox Church. In contrast to the Tsar and his family, almost all the nobility were heavily involved in the occult... which was very fashionable in Europe at the time.

Anyway these are some of the things I have come across... What I didn't know is that according to Vladimir Putin the Bolsheviks lied to their followers and told them that they would be given land... which they never did.

 

Of course Snyder's an idiot. Vladimir is the saint who gave the Russian people a Byzantium based Christianity, and by doing so helped form the unique Russian Eurasian culture. Now if he's not able to understand that simple fact, then what kind of a Russian expert is he? It's like saying that Moses shouldn't be honored by Jews in places where he never went and which didn't exist at the time. ..even though their faith is based on him.

 

That is a good mix. I bet if we all got our DNA checked we would find traces of a lot ethnic strains. I will not do it in fear that I may find out that I need to hate part of myself. LOL

 

His ban expires is Volodymyr the Great and he is important to the history of Ukraine or as it was then known Kiyvan Rus. The gang from Rociya or Moskaliy as they we known then latched onto to history of Volodymyr the Great because they had no cultural history of their own. The ancient Belarus would have more of a legitimate claim or connection to Volodymyr then the Moskals.

 

"Vladimir is the saint who gave the Russian people a Byzantium" zhanna what was Moscow and Muscovy heart land in that time ?

 

I'm reminded of a great line from the Russian film "Russian Ark" –– namely, a character representing Europe makes a comment to the effect that the greater the tyrant, the more beloved he is in Russia. Putin is Russia's next autocrat, their next strong man tyrannical ruler and Tsar. They replaced the Tsars with the brutal Bolsheviks for a time, but now we're going back to Tsarist style rule. They're certainly not democratic in the way we are in the west.

 

'replace ' not really, both Koba and Khrushchev were 2 red czars, have you seen video which I posted? Ideologically Muscovite- Tatar - Jewish elite , has fragmented . Gundyaev is big friend with kprf , mean while many in rpc and Putin see Lenin as a devil fegure

 

I just meant that Lenin and Stalin and their cohorts basically replaced the Tsars and their supporters as Russia's autocrats. It's funny (and tragic) how a revolution that was supposed to favor the working class ultimately became another top-down tyranny and dictatorship, and now it's happened again with Putin and his form of government. I don't know about the names you're bringing up, though, and the specific parts they have played.

 

Lot's of logic there. So you're saying that only Rome has a right to honor Saint Peter, since he only went to Rome.

Hey Partizan, Saints are glorified all over the Christian world, it's what we do. But if a choice was to be made as to who is the most deserved to honor Saint Vladimir and gain his blessings, then it would be those under Moscow. They are the ones who united their own Slavic heritage with the Byzantine Christianity he gave them and created their own unique Eurasian culture.

One thing is certain, it would not be the bastardized Galatians and their Western imported 'supremacist nationalism'... which by the way is considered a major sin in Christianity.

 

Great post, Soviet nomenclature had batter life then Brits in India , compere with working class, just salaries 800 rubles vs. 10 rubles to peasants, but even 10 they seldom got... Gundyaev is boss of ROC (RPC) , Koba was a Dzhugashvili's official Nickname

 

If you appreciate Russia so much and since you obviously hate our country the USA then go back to Russia we do not need anyone here who hates our country. You actually believe that the Moskaliy under Putin the KGB SCUM TURD cares about human rights! Look get out if of my country and get out fast I do not want any immigrant who hates America here stinking up this great country. Go and go away quickly.m

 

I recommend you going to school and studying textbooks.

 

Litwin, you are going on the edge of offending my faith right now. Among many things, that don't belong in hands that wish to twist them, is belief in God and value of the Christianity.

 

Partizan this is not your country. You were not born here, nor were you nurtured here... and you make it obvious in everything you say. Better get back to Galatia before Ukraine is no more. ..and take a lot of food with you, the people are hungry and need to be fed.

Zacharchenko gave Ukraine 60 days before it ceases to be, and the Nazis and Poroshenko are assuring it will happen. They are getting crazier everyday.

 

I was not a Russian and did not become an American. Even though Russia has many problems, USA has much worse problems.

 

During the early years of Communist rule, workers and peasants obtained the property of the formerly rich classes -- which greatly improved their condition.

 

Alexander Shipkov, an official of the Russian Orthodox Church has the same view as me about removing the mausoleum on Red Square. You can't impose things on people. I mean let's face it, idolizing Lenin was something that was embedded for decades into the Russian psyche. So as long as people exist who revere him, then he has to remain.

There is also another aspect to this. Even if Lenin was to be removed, one can't remove the influence of 70 yearson the thoughts and beliefs of the Russian people... which is not a bad thing. Let's face it, the Soviets did emphasize education and work. ..and that is a good thing.

What the Church official believes is that the country must first rid itself of all its Soviet and communist legacy. He also called for a temporary moratorium on any war against political symbols in the Russian Federation.

“We understand very well that Lenin's presence on Red Square has nothing in common with Christian traditions. But we cannot raise the question of his reburial before we complete the campaign on de-Sovietization and decommunization in the post-Soviet space,”​

Shipkov did, however, express approval of situations in which original place names are reinstated.

“Of course we must return original Russian names to streets, towns, and cities. This is a necessary thing, but for historical reasons, not political ones,” he said.
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According to a poll taken last April:

60 % - Russians want Lenin buried.
36% - Cannot happen soon enough.
24% - Better to wait until the generation that still reveres him passes away.
32% - Lenin should stay put – in the Mausoleum next to the Kremlin.​

 

...actually, he rather stays for another reson. When his body was mummified, it indeed served as idol, an ultimate memorial for Lenin, but...

...now it is, basically, a tourist attraction. People, every tuesday/thursday/friday/saturday/sunday from 10 AM to 1 PM, during all year except for few weeks in spring when mummy is on maintaince, can freely visit the open grave of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, inside the mausoleum built around it, stare at his mummified corpse, and then walk out to tell they saw That-Exact-Lenin with their own eyes.

Till 60th in USA people were staring at body of Elmer McCurdy in fairs visited by travelling circus that carried his body. That - is basically same for past couple decades, only with addition of rustly political party actually liking the guy.

 

"offending my faith" your religion is Koba´s school history book? by the way can you give us GPS coordinates of your so - called field of Kulikovo?

 

An odd request, but all right - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Куликовская_битва#/maplink/0

What is even more odd, is to use screenshot of Livonian order crusader knight from film "Alexander Nevsky", telling about XIII century, about Alexander, Grand Prince of Kiev and Vladimir and his life, including the event known as 'Battle on ice', that took place in 1242...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nevsky_(film)

...while Battle of Kulikovo took place a over century later, in 1380, and Rus' princedoms army in it was commanded by Dmitry Donskoy, Prince of Moscow and Grand Prince of Vladimir.

So-o... What was the point of question..?

 

My religion is Christianity, and mocking it by daring to deny my right to practice it and my nation's right to honor it's memorable dates - I won't allow.

 

GPS coordinates?