The Simulation Hypothesis

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  1. fishmatter

    fishmatter New Member

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    Bingo! You can disregard my last three responses to you :)
     
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    what part?

    It is like knowing you breath air to survive but not comprehending the oxygen.

    or even to know gravity and not know what it is.

    nature is the 'god' (everything) to all that exists.

    what is your point?

    The simulation is just a concept conceived by wingnuts.

    Kind of like the concept of a dude on a thrown.
     
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    That is a great example because we know very little about gravity.
     
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    if you see these pages, then post what is relevant.

    super string is a joke and then a 'code' within.

    dood, r yu on " I mean huge freaking ......... Texas sized sheets of acid......wow.


    do you know anythin about 'string theory'? (M, Branes...)?

    Do you know what 'walking the planck",means?
     
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    which means, the whole existing paradigm of comprehending nature (existence) is a weee bit off, just by that premise.

    So i told you what gravity is, and if you are actually an honestly seeking soul, perhaps yo would do some homework and perhaps stop the poppy cop publishing of 'codes in string theory' and garbage you really have no idea about.

    ie.... if you want to know what is real, you just bumped into an idiot that can point you in the right direction.

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.4568.pdf

    Gravity as Quantum Entanglement Force

    Jae-Weon Lee
    Department of energy resources development, Jungwon University,
    5 dongburi, Goesan-eup, Goesan-gun Chungbuk Korea 367-805
    Hyeong-Chan Kim†
    Division of Liberal Arts, Chungju National University, Chungju 380-702, Republic of Korea
    Jungjai Lee‡
    Department of Physics, Daejin University, Pocheon, Gyeonggi 487-711, Korea
    (Dated: February 24, 2010)


    We conjecture that quantum entanglement of matter and vacuum in the universe tend to increase
    with time, like entropy, and there is an effective force called quantum entanglement force associated
    with this tendency. It is also suggested that gravity and dark energy are types of the quantum
    entanglement force
    , similar to Verlinde’s entropic force. If the entanglement entropy of the universe
    saturates the Bekenstein bound, this gives holographic dark energy with the equation of state
    consistent with current observational data. This connection between quantum information and
    gravity gives some new insights on the origin of gravity, dark energy, the holographic principle and
    arrow of time.








    I aint just talking.
    the world of knowledge is evolving

    and you are on the front line to ask relevant questions, as you sit.
     
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    This isnt really a new idea at all but more like Descartes Plugged.

    Bostrom is not claiming as much as some people think and thiz is partly why his argument has merit. He was very careful to not claim too much.

    Our brains are computing processors and that is not an oversimplification. I gave a link to one expert who explains how close we are to developing computers that can process information like our brains.

    We are not as free as commonky claimed and the effects of our prisons are seen on a daily basis in killings, disease, hunger, etc.

    One indisputable item that lead me to accepting we are simulations is how humans do not belong on earth and from this we are probably the least biological beings on earth.
     
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    but your posts keep claiming garbage

    for example:

    that's a stupid claim.

    Photo Neuron Conduction.....

    go look it up.

    i wrote it about 3 decades back sharing that between the synaptic junctions is a resonant energy transfer. Not an electrical discharge of chemical reactions.

    life aint an electrical exchange.

    it is a 'light' thing (em exchange between mass) now researched in many forms like exciton, polariton, soliton.


    ie... each structure of mass retains wavelengths of energy. Think of 'color'.




    what a quack claim!!!!!

    folks, we have identified a bonafide line of stupid posting!!!!

    go lay by your dish!
     
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    So you've been repeating the same claim for years and when it is shown you claim more than you can support you simply find new prey:

    http://talkrational.org/archive/index.php/t-13261.html
     
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    You are absolutely correct and I am completely incapable of even dreaming about the ability to even partially grasp a shadow of your genius so while I appreciate the charity, it would be a waste of your time and gifts to keep reading my posts.
     
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    While I'm not as convinced we are in a simulation as you seem to be (if by simulation you're implying something conscious set it all up) what I take from the argument is that it doesn't matter. I can't think of any way we could verify if we were in one or not because there isn't anything one could experience in "the real world" that would be impossible in a simulation. But the possibility that there isn't a meaningful difference between "real" and "computed" is a lot more interesting that wondering if there is a god or not.
     
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    He is claiming if a simulation is real, it doesn't mean we are intrinsically worthless. I see Bostrom as a highly spiritual individual and he is trying to help humanity move past the calamities of our current dilemmas.

    Regarding simulation, there are several possibilities and I am biased regarding the problem of evil because the simulation helps assuage the grief associated with astronomical suffering by highlighting it is really a temporal tool for problem solving.

    Proof of simulation is not outside the realm of possibilities. If the error correcting codes in the equations of super string exist, then at some point predicting the future will not be guesswork but rather an equation. Additionally, what if somebody could perform actions directly contradicting the laws of physics? If a person could access the simulation then changing it could be done. I know a couple of days of go I said it would be impossible to prove/disprove a simulation but in looking deeper, if the simulation is true, at some point we will be able to prove it exists beyond theory.
     
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    Have a quick question. Has anyone ever experienced this scenario:

    You are drinking soda and while drinking at some point you think the soda tastes funny. You then realize it tastes funny because you believed you were drinking X when you were really drinking Y.

    I have done this a few times and it was profoundly inquisitive because my thought processes briefly conquered the actual signals to my brain.
     
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    Question for simulation: when did it begin? Is everything the simulation or is it a simulation superimposed on the physical world at an arbitrary age? Is it possible the physical earth existed for a length of time and then the simulation was created? This would mean the physical earth and its physical visitors are authentic but we cannot see them and vice versa due to the simulation.

    Why is this important? If an alien intelligence was observing earth for thousands of years and suddenly decided to mix it up with a sim, their purpose could be to see how humans respond to technology interaction. If this is true it would mean the earth is both physical and artificial and the same time. The deeper implication is a simulation does not rule out the possibility of our current ideas of God.
     
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    could that be like imagining before jacking off?
     
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    i think im getting the idea of the simulation project!
     
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    Why not add a chapter by adding a 't' to the senior levels;

    each can simulate an "O" by imagining they are with the sexy one, put your hand in your pocket, then stimulate with the simulation being imagined and bam!!!


    we can have a theme:

    It's all about the "O".
     
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    not even close. When you imagine something you know it is not true.
     
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    I'm fairly sure that Bishadi is trolling Skystryker.
     
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    Then we would not be simulated but it would still be likely we were as that means most worlds can be simulations
     
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    If we were the first generation how could it be likely we are currently in a simulation?
     
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    it aint likely


    that's what makes the thread so stupid, it's unlikely


    the trolling of minds with stupid premise, is what make the trolls stand out!
     
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    I would argue that the stupidity of any thread is proportional to your participation in it.
     
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    I was going to point that out but was avoiding any reason for further responses.
     

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