The Trump®Wall Saga

Do you deny that Pelosi supported a wall just a few years ago? Not a difficult question?

What has changed since then that make walls ineffective? Also, not q idfficult question. Provided of course, there is a reason other than hypocrisy.

 

Imo you accurately stated what the issue is about. The gop (or Trump's gop) is adamant over there not being any legal status for people already here - even for those who have been here for decades, own homes and have adult citizen children. And I'm not saying they are wrong, just that they are adamant.

And the dems are adamant that there be some path to legal status if not outright citizenship.

The lack of compromise means there cannot be any actual solution to the question of what to do with the 11 million or so illegal immigrants.

So, Trump gives something more easily conceptualized - a big beautiful wall. Whether it would actually reduce the number of people here working illegally is not even addressed.

 

You guys are still on this? Why don't you just suck ot up and admit the real reason. The wall isn't up because liberals want their future voter base of money grubbing illegals
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How do you explain, then, Trump possibly getting more a share of the Hispanic vote in 20 than he did in 16?

 

Because they don't want illegals either...even the illegal ones that managed to get in don't want more illegals coming.

 

Seeing as the Senate voted for the compromise bill offering a path to citizenship in 2013, and its passage was only blocked by the rabid anti-immigrant faction in the House (Obama was prepared to sign it, Boehner was too much of a coward to bring the vote to the floor), perhaps there is hope a similar bill will pass if the Orange Turd is beaten in 2020.

 

The continuation of a trend whereby Repubs vote against their own self-interests. As to why.......the effectiveness of the lies of right wing media.

 

The polls I've seen don't show a maj of latino/Hispanic heritage voters supporting illegal immigration.

Trump is ineffective in terms of actually accomplishing policy, but it may be that a comprehensive fix to stopping more illegal immigration and some legal status for people here that is less than citizenship would be popular with a large majority. But I think we agree that the minority of Trump's base would torpedo any compromise that involved any legal status.