The Trump Search Warrant

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  1. Kode

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    I think it hasn't. I didn't see it in this thread.
     
  2. Bullseye

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    You have a right to an opinion.
     
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    There were multiple problems with those accusations.

    First, they are VERY different from those regarding the documents illegally stored at Maralago.

    Beyond that, a major percentage of the government at the time was using personal communications devices such as cell phones to conduct official business. For quite some time there had been NO objection to that.

    For example, Condi Rice stated that she was doing that during the Bush years, and that people were aware of it then.
     
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    And you know that how?
    Asserting his rights takes time.
     
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  5. Kode

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    So you admit you can verify that it was "put to bed".
     
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    A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership by James Comey
    Flatiron Books
    Comey said people may occasionally “mishandle” a classified document, but he described the former secretary of state’s use of emails as “really sloppy.”
    “This was over the course of four years, dozens of conversations on email about secret topics,” Comey said of Clinton’s handling of emails. “And I think eight about top secret topics…. So if I'm gonna be honest, I have to say somehow it's more than ordinary sloppiness.”

    In the statement he delivered on July 5, 2016, he described her email practices as “extremely careless.” He initially considered using “gross negligence,” but told Stephanopoulos that was a “lawyer term.”

    “My staff convinced me that that's just gonna confuse all kinds of people, if you start talking about statutes and what the words mean,” he said. “What's a colloquial way to explain it? And elsewhere in my statement I had said ‘extremely careless.’ And so they said, ‘Just use that.’ And so that's what I
     
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    And yet no FBI interest in equal accountability under the law. DJT was the biggest threat not to just the Democrats, but the DC swamp (which includes Republicans) specifically. He exposed them for what they are - enemies of democracy.
     
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    Trump spent a good part of his administration putting off subpoenas.

    The idea that he was worried about taking time is just plain silly.

    Delaying has been his primary strategy over and over again.
     
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    And on top of that, I believe casual declassification of Top Secret documents is illegal and not valid.
     
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    Do I get to rob a bank on the grounds that others have robbed banks?

    Your "what aboutism" is not a valid argument.
     
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    I have spoken about this before, so I will go slower for you this time.

    As for Hillary Clinton, yes, she had an unauthorized email server. So did Ivanka Trump, Nikki Haley, and others in the Trump administration, but let's leave that dog where it lies. With Hillary specifically, there were two senate investigations and a house investigation. all GOP controlled. And none of the committees found Clinton culpable of any wrongdoing per the committee reports about the unsecured server. Yes, she lied to the IG, which is a one-year jail sentence, perjury, but the most serious charges were not levied in the senate and house reports, none. In the end, some 38 people were arrested, charged, and/or pleaded guilty. None were the name HRC or Bill Clinton. And yet, the DOJ and the FBI did not see fit to charge her for reasons outside the law. That is, is it worth the time and effort to charge her with little to no chance of winning, especially the charges you want to be filed? And the irony of it all, HRC violated Obama's own directive, which is why Obama and HRC did not really get along in the inner circle. In 2016, HRC did a piss poor job in defending herself against Trump in the one-on-one debates. She was too calculating in her answers, not fluid enough. Trump was, and that is why the last 5% of the electorate went to Trump overwhelmingly and why he won the 2016 election. Now, to answer your other question, was it stupid and inappropriate of HRC to do this? yes, she should have known better and she has been in government long enough to know the difference. Was it intentional? Probably not, just a matter of convenience and that is not an excuse for doing what she did. But in the end, the evidence, after the senate and house investifgations, was not enough to charge her because there is something called reasonable doubt. And that is a professional judgement by those who make the decisions.like this.

    the GOP made the mistake in the committees from instead of really finding out the truth, they made it political to embarrass the Obama administration, to put pressure on HRC not to run in 2016, and to show distrust with the Democratic Party as a whole based on the actions of a few, guilty by association, which is what you are doing now Flyboy. But the truth is physical paperwork, which is not the same as an email server because there is no physical location for digital documents. Email servers which has improper forwarded classified documents falls under a different code of the law and not what Trump is allegedly facing right now with 11 boxes of top secret documents that have not been declassified.
     
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    Purple Monkey Dishwasher!
     
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    In the Trump world, only if you are White, Evangelical Christian, and a Conservative will you get the pass. All others, no.
     
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    Hillary's server was not so much about Hillary... but was about Barack Obama's knowledge and correspondence through it with Hillary... when is that investigation going to start?
     
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    There is the power and then there is the process. You are not understanding the process. That process will have certain stamps on the documents showing it was declassified. Want to make a bet they are not there?
     
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    That room, after he leaves the WH, is NOT Mar A Lago though.

    You are forgetting details here. Yes, he has the power to declassify anything, but only the issuing agency of that document can do that with issues on the document that needs to be addressed. If you have ever read a declassified document, and I have, you will see detracted or block out parts of it that are not declassified, the signatures, stamps, and Letters that show the when, what, where, why, and to what extent the document was classified originally by the issuing agency and the declassification by that agency when, and by whom. Those are the details. The latter part is not something that will be on there because it is not as simple as saying "I will declassify these documents."
     
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    There is nothing that Garland has done is impeachable.
     
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    So, what do you want me to answer that I haven't already? Maybe try reading the thread?
     
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    Well for starters, Mar A largo is not exactly a house. It is basically a hotel, resort, and Golf Club. Trump has a section of the place that he calls home. Second, Secret Service agents, current and former, along with their combined immediate family, go where they go. There is always a detail at summer homes and other places that the former president will visit or stay. But the main detail is where the former President is. If he is at Mar A largo, they are all over the place, some in plain clothes, some undercover on occasions as gardners or hotel staff. But usually if the President is away, there is a small detail "keeping an eye on things." In addition, Mar A Lago has a security guard presence as well including "hotel detectives" there. This is not your typical suburban home.

    This is a massive home, has 126 rooms in 62000 square feet. Most of the rooms are reserved for the Mar A Lago Club members when they stay. But a section is for Trump and that is probably where they did the search although I wouldn't be surprised if they did search all the rooms.
     
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    Is that what the echo chamber is saying? He sure does have standards. Like putting America first, closing the borders and not suffering the Democrats' bs. I fault him for being a poor loser. There was NO reason for him to say he lost the election other than to get back at DC who called him an illegitimate traitor for a president. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm just telling you where I think he was coming from when he decided to act like them, a butt hurt sore loser.
     
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    So you have NO proof. You're speculating. I've seen NO evidence the Secret Service was inside Trump's home during the FBI's raid.
     
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    Such drivel. Do you actually believe the crap you post?
     
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    Of course they were. And they cooperated with the search but did not participate.
     
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    I think Comey, a Republican by the way and nominated by a GOP-led Senate during the Obama administration, made the mistake of not charging the 38 people. But he also ran into another problem that the DOJ usually does not do, charge people who work for Presidential campaigns, which most of them were doing at that time, during an election year, 2016.
     
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    So, now you are suggesting that Pres Trump was protecting Clinton for 4 years?

    LOL!
     

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