The Truth About the Second Amendment

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you can! No politician that values their career in the slightest would ever try to enforce restricting women, the elderly or the disabled from militia participation. US Code says its for younger men, but in reality its for everyone! :D
     
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  2. dave8383

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    Ok, I'm starting the Grey Beard Militia today.
     
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    Which does not hold that unlicensed open carry of firearms outside the home is illegal by extension.
     
  4. Rucker61

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    The coffee better be better than what I got in the Army.
     
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    Irrelevant.
     
  6. Rucker61

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    I don't have that power. Until the militia is mustered, neither does the US government.
     
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    If that's the case, then we're in for a huge disappointment when and if it'll be time to use them.
     
  8. Rucker61

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    Likely so. We probably won't need all 58-60 million right away, though, and can triage the fitness levels. If this is a concern to you, write your Congresscritter and asked to have 10 USC 311 modified.
     
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    An Armed person has an Obligation to ensure Order over Chaos.
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Supreme Court has never made such a determination.

    so you're guess is as valid as mine
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    until SCOTUS says otherwise, the States have the authority to be Shall Issue, May Issue, or No Issue. And they have the authority to regulate AWs
     
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    Pray tell where you got the bolded part from" 2nd amendment does not protect carrying a loaded firearm in public, unless its a time of crisis or emergency"
     
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    What's an "assault weapon"? Are they in common use for lawful purposes, and do they have a reasonable relationship to the preservation and efficiency of a well-regulated militia? What's a "large capacity magazine"?
     
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    semi-auto weapons that have military characteristics
     
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    What's a "military characteristic"? Flash hider? Pistol grip? What about military weapons that aren't semi-automatic? Don't they have "military characteristics"?

    What would prevent a legislature from simply declaring any firearm from being an "assault weapon"? It's a completely capricious definition. Why, they could just say any firearm with the capability of hold more than 10 rounds is an "assault weapon" and add those to the ban list. Then change that number to "five rounds", and add all of those numbers to the banned list.

    Why aren't "semi-auto weapons that have military characteristics" protected by Miller: firearms "having a reasonable relationship to the preservation and efficiency of a well-regulated militia"? Why are .22 pistols with threaded muzzles "assault weapons"? Why are shotguns with pistol grips "assault weapons"? Why have we seen at least three different sets of definitions of "assault weapons" from those seeking to ban ownership? Why isn't the round count of "large capacity magazine" definitive? We've seen laws declaring the magic number to be 20, 15, 10 and 7. That's not an encouraging trend.
     
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    Edit: On average, how many people each year are killed in mass shootings with "assault weapons"?
     
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    in my view, a 22LR or shotgun cannot be an assault weapon.

    they are pretty useless on the battlefield
     
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    Yet they are considered "assault weapons" in certain configurations by those who write the laws banning them, and those definitions could be changed at a whim to ban even more firearms if anything called an "assault weapon" can be banned.

    Edit: In Ohio, two Democratic state senators introduced an "assault weapons" ban that would have classified every single semi-automatic pistol as an "assault weapon".

    Perhaps interestingly, the Ruger Mini-14, a semi-automatic, intermediate caliber, magazine fed carbine developed from the Garand/M1 Carbine has never been on an "assault weapons" ban list of "assault weapons". It holds the current single shooter record for deaths in a mass shooting.
     
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  19. Ronstar

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    FALSE

    the Mini-14 is considered an assault weapon if it has military characteristics.

    I will however contact the NYPD and urge them to add all versions of the Mini-14 to their AW law.
     
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    The basic Mini-14 does not possess sufficient "military characteristics" to fall under the AWB.

    This also is not an AWB:

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    I consider ALL semi-auto centerfire rifles, that can take more than 5 rounds, to be an assault weapon.
     
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    Good for you. Let us know when get elected. Are those types of weapons in common use for lawful purposes, and do they possess a reasonable relationship to the preservation and efficiency of a well regulated militia?
     
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    The inanity of the left and 'assault weapons' - there's no better example of 'arbitrary and capricious'.
     
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    indeed, sale of both weapons should have been illegal
     
  25. Rucker61

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    Why is that?
     

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