The United States can not afford universal Healthcare

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    Spread pricing is a good example of why the current system is so corrupt, and costs so much.

    Spread pricing happens when pharmacy sells meds to a patient, the claim is adjudicated by a pharmacy benefit managers (adjudication takes 0.4 seconds, since it is 100% computer driven), who then pay the claim in behalf of the insurance company, say $100. Then they send an invoice to the insurance company for $150 and they pocket the difference, and BOOM, they just made $50 out of thin air. Insurance resolve the problem by raising premiums for all their customers.

    Oh, and they also charge $1.50 to process the claim, and they process over 10 million of them every day.

    And they also pocket the rebates they get from the drug companies.

    People can make all the emotional arguments about how sweet it is to have the private sector run health care, and how the government screws everything up, but the private sector makes no bones about it, - their goal is to maximize their profits, and they don't give a rats ass how bad the average consumer gets shafted. They make billions off the backs of the American consumers who need meds to survive.
     
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    OK sea lawyer.
     
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    Well, no sh*t, Sherlock, those are the top 3 most populous States, it's common frickin' sense that they would have the top 3 number of cases and deaths.

    As for the rest of your excuses, the fact remains that Desantis chose freedom over totalitarianism, the left mocked him for doing so, announcing that he was the harbinger of death, and at the end of the day, he was right and the naysayers were wrong. Which really comes as no surprise.
     
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    If the deadbeat parent is a wage earner AND the custodial parent files a complaint with the AG office, then yes, wages can be garnished. However, for most of the noncustodial parent who fail to meet those oblgations, they are not wage earners, at least not in a traditional sense. There is a plethora of ways to get around the garnishments such as a nonemployee, paid under the table, or quite simply, move to Belize, Phillippinse, Thailand, Mexico, etc before the government can act. Most of the time this is deliberate and thought out if this happens. But the point was I was making is that it is not always the fault of the person. And since you made the grandiose generalization that it is "their fault" for their predictament, I gave you the more common examples.


    this is where you do not know about immigration law. Three ways to become illegal, or out of status. First is the most obvious, EWI, or Entry Without Inspection, aka sneaking over. And yes, the law states it is deporation unless they meet one of the exceptions such as TPS or Refugee or Asylee. Seconnd is visa overstay. They came here legally but overstayed for one reason or another. Under immigration law, remedies to make them in status are there, but timing to adjudicate back to legal status is imperative. Common examples would be to marry a USC or seek Refugee or Assylee, or if a medical condition, File a form I-539 to become in status because of that medical condition. And then there are visa violators. Common example of this is a alent with a student visa who would go below the full time status. Again, that I-539 form is available for remedy, among others.

    To immigrate legally, it would generally depend on the type of visa and it is not always the immigrant that must prove financial resources. For spouse and family immigration, it is generally the USC that must demostrate that and must be above 400% above the poverty line for the size of the family in the state you live in. That would include any assets, income, bank accounts, insurance, etc. For temporary visas, such as B1 and student visas, it is not only a fiancial issue, but the question of whether the alien would not reasonable violate the terms of said visa. And then there is the work visa, which is sponsored by the US employer. That would demostrate the need to hire said immigrant and the employer has "reasonably" exhausted all means to hire locally.


    Most crimes are crimes of opportunity and the stupidity of youth. And I rarely see anyone think that long term on anything. But then again, hindsight is always 20/10. However, you missed the point. amber guyger is released from prison and has paid her debt to society, shouldn't she be given the same opportunity as someone who never went to prision. Granted, Amber will never be a security guard or a police officer again, but I think she can have other opportunities there and I am willing to give her that chance once her debt is paid to society. And isn't that the point. Excons, despite having paid their debt, are still in "prison" with attitudes like yours. Furthermore, adjudication or removal of a crime from the record is very rare and is usually done as a precondition to a plea bargain, but it is rare. Even minor drug offenses have made people not to get a job because of that one mark on their record, in their early 20s, and once, especially in places like Florida and Texas.
     
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    Jobs have been going overseas for decades. The reason is that people want cheaper products and businesses respond to what customers want. If people wanted domestically produced goods, then the outsourcing would end. Does nobody on the left understand how businesses work? Business is all about sales, profits and competition. It has been that way for thousands of years. The problem is that the outsourcing puts American workers in competition with those in other countries. Sell consumers on the benefits of domestic production. There are many. There is no point in criticizing businesses over what they do. One of the things they do provide all the wealth that exists in our society.

    Since the left is supportive of federal government, get the government to engage in more tariffs. They have the best chance of motivating businesses to re-engage in domestic production since the public is unwilling to do it. Criticizing them doesn't do anything. They are still living with the necessities of sales, profit and meeting competition.
     
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    Capitalism is by far the best economic system proven over thousands of years. It is the only one that responds to human nature. Nothing religious about business, just misunderstanding on the part of people who don't understand it.
     
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    DeSantis acted stupidly and foolishly. Lockdowns were important because the Covid virus was overwhelming the health care system in the first states that were greatly affected, namely New York, Florida, California, Ohio, Texas, and a few others. Once more data came out, then we should have slowly opened up, required masks outside to help mitigate the spread of the disease, emphasize washing hands constantly, along with surfaces, and social distance, at least in the summer and fall. But then again, Desantis, despite his freedom, was also completely authoritiarian when it came to cruise ships, counties that did not agree with him, etc.
     
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    No he didn't. He locked down Florida hard and long, and later blamed Trump for it. Next time round he did the opposite, - he used the power of his office to go after schools and corporations who wanted to make their own decisions about the matter and he almost drove the cruise industry out of the State. He is probably the most authoritarian governor in the nation.
     
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    Capitalism is perfectly suited for many things, but not all things.
     
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    True. It is only suited for an economic system.
     
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    If that expression of idiocy you speciously refer to as "freedom" only effected (and infected) people who equate public safety measures with totalitarianism I'd have no problem with their behavior. But it doesn't.
     
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    And the debate is whether or not health care should be part of the profit driven economic system, rather than a basic service to provide for general welfare of the nation (like the military and / or law enforcement).
     
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    So a single payer system won't allow health care providers to earn a profit? That won't last long.
     
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    Why not? I think the providers in Germany or Denmark make some profits, but it is not 100% profit driven service for them (like it is for us). There are some profits involved in military too, and PDs, but they are not for-profit organizations.

    Did you know most US hospitals are non-profit? Only 24% are for-profit. Unfortunately the non-profit only means they don't pay taxes, and funnel their income to massive salaries, some in millions. The guy who runs Banner Health, in Phoenix pays himself over $20 million a year.
     
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    Did you know that "non profit" organizations can actually be profitable? After all their employees actually get paid. So, in actuality health care providers operating with a single payer could earn more money, and cost less.
    Curious isn't it?
     
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    Not even true. It is fine for a charity to have cash in the bank. That doesn't make it profitable. It just indicates changes in cash flow. If single payer ends up costing more, and it certainly will, then the left needs to stop touting lower costs for single payer. There is no common sense in the claim.
     
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    Spare me your jealousy. Let's let this thread die. We are now wasting time.
     
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    The facts of it costing less are from Nations that have such a system in place. And compared to our spending, we receive subpar care and spend more for it compared to countries with a UHC system in place.
     
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    Learning is not a waste of time.
     
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    Eh?

    You are free to leave any time you want and take your ad hominems with you

    Bu-bue!
     
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    “If you’re only manipulating one variable, [per capita case rate] might tell you something, but where there are so many variables of whether you’re masking or vaccinating or not, schools open or not, businesses requiring documentation of vaccines, or not — I think it’s really hard to tell which of those variables is impactful,” Cutler said.

    “And when you just identify them by state, it just becomes purely political. It’s about where those people lived. And I’m not sure that that has much bearing whatsoever.”

    Make that sleazy politics..
     
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    when every business does it, consumers have no power to stop it, do any cell companies not outsource IT\Customer service now as an example

    when I was young, a customer service job was my first real job, most of those jobs have gone overseas now, or been automated - less opportunity for our youth nowadays

    government needs to set up speed limits for corporations, just like they do on the road - make it cost as much to outsource jobs as it does to hire here
     
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    Not a counter argument.
     
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    Your opining :)
     

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