The US needs to re-instate the draft .

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  1. My Fing ID

    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have a good point but I can't agree. The voluntary system we have now is superior to a draft system. The people who join want to be there, and they will do their job. I do not believe it would be the same under a draft system. I believe we end up with a better, more professional military under our current system.

    Where you have a point, well is your point; everyone should have some skin in the game. Fat ********s who have never served are sending young men to third world hell holes for political gain. I believe the way to stop this isn't a draft, but rather to limit our ability to fight over seas. This needs to be done my making it very difficult, politically not militarily, to go to and sustain war. Unfortunately I'm not entirely sure how this can be done. We can stick with the constitution, but as our recent history has shown that document is meaningless to both politicians and the public in general.
     
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    I'd say consumption tax. Taxing land means you have to pay rent to the government for your own property, and that just shouldn't happen.
     
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    Well replace taxes with whatever law you'd hope corporations would follow. Because once you have your own military you make your own laws.
     
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    Consumption taxes means paying even more than was asked from you, for a product that the public does not own. Land on the other hand, well, I think should be publicly owned but the implications of that would be impractical, so I support taxing it, in a way that would deter Big Land Renters from immorally transferring wealth and resources en mass to themselves and put a stranglehold on the economy and our prosperity and quality of life by doing so. (*)(*)(*)(*) that. Geoist
     
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    If the laws followed morality to some extent, then that is not so. The military and police should both somehow be made to abide by morality.
     
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    I have to agree that the government needs enough force to be able to enforce it's own laws and borders, being that we task the government with those tasks. The law is meaningless if you can't enforce it. However with that said what entity could really afford to fight the government? Other nations can't even face us. Microsoft could buy a bunch of tanks, aircraft, and munitions but really they can't compete with the US military. I think it's a non-issue because cost alone prevents any group from arming itself to the point where the law is meaningless.
     
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    What is to prevent that situation from happening now? You can own all the land you want so long as you pay for it, and all you need is people living on it paying you rent. So long as you have to pay rent on your land you never truly own it. You can't really own a house because the government charges you rent.
     
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    Land taxes should be the only form of income that the government has. And the government should only be allowed to use said money for minimal domestic police which would mainly consist of border protection and investigation and punishment of VIOLENT crimes (not "drug offenses"), perhaps roads arguably, and perhaps a couple of other comparatively small tasks.
     
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    I can't agree. I believe in ownership, and land taxes do not allow for that. A consumption tax however allows the government to unobtrusively gain revenue and allows individuals full ownership of their purchase.
     
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    oh christ...

    know what it was like the last time there were "private millitaries"? there was about 1 mercenary company per square god (*)(*)(*)(*) foot in Europe and all of them abused the hell out of their power.
     
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    So, people's actual productions (goods and services) should be stolen from, but something that people did not produce and is granted by nature itself should be allowed to be greedily hoarded?
     
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    I hope the OP doesn't consider himself a small government conservative. I don't know his political affiliation but I am hoping it is not Conservative.
     
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    No one is stealing anything, rather the tax is being added to what they charge for the good. If you want to charge $10, and have a 10% tax to deal with, you charge $11 total. You still get your $10, the government gets its $1, everything works out. The consumer pays, not the seller. That's how the system works currently. It's not like companies suck up tax increases. Why do you think increasing taxes on cigarettes, or anything else, makes them cost more? You pass the cost off to the consumer.
     
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    Aha! Do you not see how this unjustly benefits the company at the expense of the consumer? I'll explain if you don't.
     
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    Yes, if taken under oath and not subject to disqualification because their judgments had been impaired by their ordeal.
     
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    No I don't. Please explain, sounds interesting.
     
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    It's barely if at all directly hurting corporate profits, because as you said, they pass the cost onto the consumers. It's intended to be another source of State revenue.

    However, what happens when you make these goods and services artificially costly? It makes it so that people have more, or less spending money? Less! Would be the correct answer.

    These taxes barely if at all directly hurt corporate profits, but they do, at the same time, make people have less spending money. Which means that people will have less to spend on other goods and services; in other words, they have less to spend on companies that could compete with the corporations that sell the taxed goods and services that people are buying.

    Corporate taxes, as well as sales taxes, whether intended to do so or not, help to artificially mitigate competition for businesses!!
     
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    there is more need for the Draft today than there ever has been . now that we're bringing our soldiers home , we need to take a hard look at our responsibility as citizen / soldiers . our soldiers are not mercenaries , they are our neighbors and friends .


    this is a Hero , there are many such examples . this is what made America the greatest Nation the world has ever known , and it starts with recognising that we're all in this together ... either we are or we're not ..

    the Draft makes us all equal , and it's made our country what it is today .

    we fight as one , and die as one , but we do it together , or we don't do it at all.
     
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    Are there any peacetime heroes or do we only respect the war ones.
     
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    You are correct, taxes make things cost more and don't hurt corporations. Taxes shouldn't be out there to hurt corporations, they should be there as a form of revenue for the state so it can fund itself. I'm not seeing the issue here. If you tax a corporation the people who buy/use their product will pay their taxes. There is no way around this other than not taxing business to begin with. Any cost a company incurs will be passed on to the consumer, that's just how things work.
     
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    I still have to disagree with you. As was pointed out in another thread, and something I very much agree with, free people should not be forced into a draft. This alone is enough reason to not have one. There are other reasons too, such as if a war is not popular enough to have volunteers fight it, we shouldn't be there to begin with. Our national defense should be fine without a draft either. Even if we didn't get enough volunteers it's likely that individual/grouped citizens would create a great deal of chaos for any invading military. No one should be forced to fight in a war.
     
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    well , I don't know how to answer that , but I'll try . :juggle:

    I always considered Jesus Christ my greatest hero , a close second my Mom & Dad , I guess another hero would be my grandfather , , Billy Graham another ,
    and of course John Wayne and Kit Carson & Jim Bridger , and in more recent years , Popcorn Sutton ...

    but my greatest Hero is my wife ... we been married 31 years , and she's absolutely my favorite Hero .. and my best friend as well . :blowkiss:
     
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    Don't leave out "Ozzie and Harriet"!
     
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    [B . ]Freedom comes at a price , paid in blood by soldiers and patriots that are laid to rest in Arlington and many other cemetaries all over the United States.

    free people that have been given freedom never appreciate what they have been given , , but the day will come when our freedom must once again be fought for , either fight or loose that privelidge of being a US citizen ..

    that time is not yet , but it's coming , maybe sooner than anyone thinks .

    Where will you stand ? or will you run away ?

    War is not something that anyone wants , but if it comes , it comes.

    As for me , I will stand , will YOU ?
     
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    What's with all the dramatics. No one is getting ready to set up shop at the US Front door and start a war. That is nonsense.

    Someone is going to be fighting an imaginary war.
     

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