The Vaccine Refusers Are Causing Lasting Material Damage To America!

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    With this post, it seems you've joined The Church, eh?

    How's this hypothetical: if there is a dangerous viral disease out and about, would you rather take a successful treatment for it if you become infected, or would you rather take an injection that causes blood clots?

    You are vested, so I understand any bias that might present.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Phase 3 takes 1 to 2 years so you are basically phase 3 after rushing through 1 and 2 in 6 months and skipping animal testing altogether.
     
  3. fmw

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    That is why it was an emergency approval. It appears to have been a good approval.
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    100% incorrect. You don't know me very well.
     
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    Time has told.
     
  7. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now according to the WH even the vaccinated should wear masks.
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ot takes 5-20 years to get through the animal testing and the 4 phases of human clinical trials. It’s been what? Not even a year and reports of injuries and death from treatments never before used on humans?
     
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  9. fmw

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    A vaccine in 5 to 20 years wouldn't get the job done. All vaccines cause injuries and death. They aren't perfect. There is always risk. The question is what is worse, The question is how reasonable is the risk. For me it was reasonable. For my wife it was not. If we could just get government out of the way we could manage this virus pretty effectively.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So safety needs damned as long as you feel good.
     
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    Why?? "My body my choice", right??

    Why? Doesn't YOUR mask work?? Doesn't YOUR vaccine work?? You do realize that you are inadvertently expressing your belief that those things don't actually work, right?

    Then open everything back up and live life again instead of leading people towards joblessness, depression, overdose, suicide, etc...

    It doesn't have a strangehold over America... but FEAR does has a stranglehold over the minds of people such as yourself. The Left wants this to occur so that they can tyrannically control your thoughts and actions.

    So OPEN THEM BACK UP AND LIVE LIFE AGAIN... It's very simple.

    Herd immunity occurs naturally.. There is absolutely ZERO, I repeat, ZERO need for a vaccine in order to achieve herd immunity. Stop demonizing people who wish to make a different healthcare choice than you. MY BODY MY CHOICE, right?

    You have already inadvertently admitted that you believe that masks don't actually work. (see above)

    You have already inadvertently admitted that you believe that vaccines don't actually work. (see above) Doesn't YOUR vaccine work??

    No. The government shouldn't mandate anything. That's called tyranny. That's called communism. That's called North Korea, China, Venezuela, Cuba, etc... You do know that people regularly FLEE those countries in order to come HERE because they want FREEDOM, right?? That's why Biden doesn't want Cubans coming here (because they overwhelmingly vote for Republicans because they want freedom rather than tyranny).

    If you actually cared about medical costs, you would instead be promoting eating a healthy and species-appropriate diet (meat and animal products) instead of a "balanced diet" or a "vegan diet". This would instantly remove a **** ton of our obesity and diabetes issues (or malnutrition issues in the case of vegans) which financially strain our healthcare system.

    MY BODY MY CHOICE is not causing you any issues... Does your vaccine not work?? Does your mask not work?? Are you not taking care of your body properly? Can you not see how nonsensical the government and media propaganda is?

    Lies. Plus, numbers are being fudged on this as well (very lax rules for counting unvaxxed people and very stringent rules for counting vaxxed)... How about all of the Demonkkkrat Reps from Texas, and the White House aides, who have now contracted COVID even though they all are supposedly "fully vaxxed"?? Is the vaccine not working?? Did those Dems all lie about receiving their vaccinations?? Apparently it's quite easy to "get COVID" even when "fully vaxxed", as we've just seen...

    Open your eyes! You are being duped at every turn by the government and the media!

    You sure do love tyranny, don't you?? Why don't you move to Cuba then?? It's sounds like you'd really love North Korea...

    Oh wait... the 'holy godsend' Biden Regime has travel restrictions on American citizens... but don't worry, illegal immigrants can still flood through our open (for them) borders... Please wake up to the fact that your own government is bending you over furniture... Of course, they are only brazenly doing this sort of schiff to try to goad MAGA people into being violent so that they can add fuel to their "insurrectionist domestic terrorist w/e" nonsense... The Biden Regime is truly Satanic in every way. It is sick. It is appalling.

    They can stay the **** off of my private property. Such sick and Satanic individuals are not welcome on it.

    This is precisely what is happening as I type this response to you. The Intelligence Community (the fourth branch of government, which has a stranglehold over the other three branches) has been surveilling over political opponents for quite some time now.

    They ARE HIPPA violations. My medical history and information is none of your damn business. I also suggest taking a gander at the Nuremberg Code.
     
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  12. WillReadmore

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    If we had an opportunity to eliminate the flu, that would be a worthy objective.

    To casually accept another such disease as a permanent feature of human life on Earth hits me as being basically lazy and irresponsible.
     
  13. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you are going to eliminate it like the flu? Do you read what you write?
     
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    Why do folks who have been vaccinated still get covid and require isolation? Why are so many folks having adverse reactions to the vaccine and die from it? And since the failure for catching wuflu isn't death, what are you rambling on about. And explain why so many minorities are not getting the vaccine? Every one of the folks I know who are republicans have in fact been vaccinated. We seem to understand where the hold outs are. Explain that.
     
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    Fauci has built his entire career on producing long enduring maintenance "treatments" that shackle the afflicted to a costly medical stream for their lifetimes. Just ask anyone with HIV.
     
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    Please reread my post.
     
  17. Hoosier8

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    It will be another in the pantheon of flu viruses while the majority of people will have some immunity. Just like the flu.
     
  18. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I saw Hannity, Ron De Santis and McConnell on the air fear mongering a couple days ago...I guess you can cross those guts off your list, right ?
     
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  19. WillReadmore

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    I don't accept your premises here.

    - the majority of those in ICUs with COVID failed to get vaccinated. Almost every single individual who dies of COVID was not vaccinated - like 99%.

    - the number of adverse reactions to COVID vaccines is incredibly tiny - far too low to suggest not being vaccinated unless there is a specific medical reason pertaining to your own health condition.

    - 1,700 people die of COVID each week right now. Essentially ALL of them were not vaccinated.

    - the reasons that various sub populations are more or less frequently being vaccinated is not some trivial topic.
     
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    He was a key scientist in finding a way to keep HIV patients alive and living productive lives.

    And YOU hate him for that???
     
  21. Hoosier8

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    Because they both genuinely believe the vaccines are good and they are just as much an elite as any democrat who benefits off the current system. Why oppose big pharma? Nothing to gain, lobbying donations to lose.
     
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    Sincere question - are you, then, okay with companies not allowing unvaccinated on their premises? Or airlines not allowing unvaccinated on their planes? Or certain countries not allowing unvaccinated to cross into their borders? Frankly, I'm okay with all of that. I'm perfectly fine with vaccine passports. Are you?
     
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    That wouldn’t be natural consequence so no I’m not. If the vaccine works so well the vaccinated shouldn’t be fearful of the unvaccinated.
     
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    The vaccines do not prevent everyone from getting COVID. They DO cause amazing decreases in severity and prevent people from dying.

    Death is NOT the only side effect of COVID.

    There are those who can't be vaccinated for reasons of their own health. If there are employees with that condition, then all those not vaccinated present a risk.

    Having people get COVID is a cost to all of us in that we all pay for hospital time, ICU capacity, etc. through our insurance payments and .
    the higher costs associated

    Personally, I see it as disgusting that there are people who actually don't give a crap about the exposure to disease that our health care workers, coworkers and others face when people are so totally irresponsible that they refuse to take care of themselves by means so cheap and easy as masks and vaccinations. Who the hell do these people think they are?
     
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    That's called "Showmanship" in the political world.

    Why do you think the murderer Cuomo never activated the 42nd Combat Aviation Brigade of the New York National Guard?

    Instead of tents in Central Park for theatrics, all Cuomo had to do was send a text message to the Adjutant General of the New York National Guard.

    The Adjutant sends a text message to Commander, 42nd Combat Aviation Brigade New York National Guard telling him to get medium lift companies down to NYC.

    Commander, 42nd Combat Aviation Brigade NYNG: Gosh, which one of my 3 battalions should I activate? I simply cannot decide.... eeny...meeny...miny.... mo....2nd Battalion, you're it.

    Commander, 2nd Battalion, 42nd CAB NYNG: Well, we have a bit of a poser here. Which one of my four line companies should I activate? I simply cannot decide....eeeny....meeny.....miny...mo.....Delta Company, you're it. Alpha Company you're on alert. Bravo Company you're on stand-by.

    With the exception of spinal chord and brain trauma centers, all 5,328 hospitals in the US have reinforced roofs or a helipad near the ER entrance to accommodate CH-46s, Mi-8 HIPS, Blackhawks, Hueys and Kiowas.

    So, why didn't Cuomo get those helicopters down to NYC to airlift patients out of over-crowded hospitals to rural hospitals, like the 3 in Chango County where my sister lived that had a grand total of 4 STUPID-19 patients.

    I'll tell you why....he's a grandstanding showman that doesn't give a damn about people.
     

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