The war between Europe and the USA ...

You're sad because you lost the war. Admit it.

 

The only ones that lost in WWII, was the UK.

 

I'm reading that the Anglo-Saxon approach to many things social is failing. And I'd have to agree.

 

Limbaugh.

 

True, they had the temerity to be on the winning side yet not be in danger of going Commo. Hence they had to rebuild their nation without help from others.

 

Huh, I guess we really are different. I'm seeing us both falling to pieces.

 

The Erozone is little more than a German free trade zone that will collapse as soon as Germany runs out of money to continuously prop up the Southern tier whose primary source of income is tourism.

 

The German population is already pretty fed up with polititians dumping more millions by the day into bancrupt member states so the big boy tax evaders and corrupt officials there can transfer even more money into their Swiss bank accounts.

Germany has problems too, like the increasing gap between incomes and rising poverty.

 

A bit of misunderstanding there, not even a single euro is dropped into "bankrupt member states" , all moneis go the private banks of those states .


I hope that they get fed up enough to get out of eurozone

 

Germany should join the UK. No corrupt big boys there.

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Hey stroll, don't be sad

 

America will ban profanity. Europe will ban ideas and tries to control thought.

 

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I've never heard of a Commission of Un-European activities though...

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The reasons are many and cover a broad range of topics from everything politics, economics, culture and social issues.

Too complicated to discuss, everyone has their own opinion about why the U.S. and Europe feel the way they do about each other.

As someone mentioned already, my biggest issue with Europe is their demonization with right wing ideaology and on-going agenda of thought control.

That and they try to copy American principles when I don't believe they should. Europeans are not immigrants, thus they should not dilute themselves into becoming immigrant nations. They have a national identity and culture that dates back thousands of years and to throw that all out the window to copy American success (of which constitutes being an immigrant nation) is not only insulting but offensive as I'm of European descent. You don't see the Japanese or the Russians or the Pakis trying to copy the American experiment because they have atleast some value on their national identity and culture.

What I"m trying to say is I don't like Europeans way of thinking because they're essentially cowardly sell outs and as of this moment they're dead to me. I wash my hands of them. Especially France and England. *spits on the ground*

 

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Most of Europe is being governed by conservative-leaning parties.

 

LOOOL

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Oh my god. I just spit out a giant wad of skoal after reading this.

Please. For everything good in this world, tell me you are joking. There is no way you're being serious right now.

You do realize that most of Europe is the one of the most left leaning places in the world right? (aside from North Korea which is a hard left country)

 

He is perfectly serious and accurate. Most European countries are presently led by conservative governments. The fact that they are barely to the left of your own current government should give you pause, but probably won't.

 

=> Spain, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Netherlands, Germany, Belgium (sort of), Luxembourg, etc.

E.g. Belgium, despite a Walloon Socialist being PM -- the Christian-Democrats and the Liberal-Democrats are part of government as well. They are seeking around €4,5 billion for next year (in the USA this would mean around $200 billion en route to a balanced budget.

 

I am sure you believe the above to be true, but we need to be aware that conservative and socialist, or 'right' and 'left' ideologies, are matters of individual (which often extends to national) perception. Perhaps what you mean to imply is that the most conservative Europeans are likely to be less conservative than the majority of 'liberal' Americans.

As Janpor has pointed out, most of western Europe has conservative government, in line with the general pendulum swing to conservatism across the world. This is not unusual in times of economic stress, as conservatives are seen (rightly or wrongly) to be better economic managers.

What may be contributing to your impression is the fact that northern Europe is the most sociologically developed part of the world, and that even European conservatives see the need for social justice in order to maintain a genuinely high standard of living (and to feel comfortable in their respective societies).

In the sociological sense, much of northern Europe is very conservative, inasmuch as social tradition, architecture, and the environment, is preserved to a high degree. Less so religiously, but it is mainly quite sociologically primitive societies which are still in the grip of religion - Iran perhaps being a good example thereof.

The emerging economic giants - China and India - as with the preceding 'Asian Tigers' - are largely unconcerned about social justice (or the environment) and their primary efforts are in the direction of economic, and military, prowess - much like the now defunct Soviet Union.

So what you may see as 'left leaning' is a regard for social justice, preservation of the environment, and the maintenance of an equitable society - it is a far cry from economic socialism, or the bogey man of Communism.

 

Are you sure that's the case? I mean if you're talking about Political Forum, there are some outright condescending arrogant pricks from Europe, who post here. Now, you look up at what the largest political affiliation on PF is, which seems to be conservative and far rightwing, which seems the polar opposite of the majority of Europeans that post on PF. Next, a good portion of topics started on PF, seems to center around American domestic politics. And, if you haven't noticed, it's highly likely that a thread on this forum, is going to turn highly partisan, a majority of the time. Throw in the majority of conservative/rightwing Americans, and progressive/leftwing Europeans who post here, and you have what appears to be enmity between the two parties.

Just my two cents.

 

It's difficult not to be, when arguing with imbecile, abusive boneheads. lol

 

LOL, you may be correct, but I often read Americans telling Europeans that they would be speaking German, were it not for the USA, and decrying any European societal achievements on the basis that all the money the USA saves them by providing their defence, makes such things possible. I do not read the opposite - so it would appear that the majority of gratuitous offence flows eastward across the pond.

 

To address the OP, this sums it up very well.

 

There is a degree of social conservatism in the US that goes a bit beyond European conservatism. Also the healthcare debate here, most Americans don't like the idea of it, but in the UK most people are proud of NHS...at least in my experience. I think the Democrats are most similar to European conservatives.

 

Go to England for a good serving of Fish and Chips. No French Fries here, Paris.