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'The worst briefing I've had': Senate Iran briefing gets heated

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  1. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It wasn't. Ergo, the President illegally ordered an assassination.
     
    stone6, Jan 9, 2020
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :above: :nod: THE BOTTOM LINE :nod: :above:
     
    Thingamabob, Jan 9, 2020
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Completely justified and within his scope. Glad the bastards dead, hard to understand why any American, feels different.
     
    FatBack, Jan 9, 2020
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some points of order:

    1. Our Congressional approval covers what our COC does in terms of operational decision making. Iraq has approved of the US operating under the UN LOAC.

    2. Soleimani was killed on the battlefield during active operations.

    3. He was in Iraq in violation of a 2007 UN Security Council travel ban.

    4. He was neutralized as an enemy combatant and declared terrorist in accordance with the same UN charter Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC).

    Also for those saying Trump didn’t have approval from Congress.... Ummm we already have Congressional approval to be in Iraq and that was literally renewed AGAIN in the latest NDAA Defense bill that the president signed.....TWO WEEKS AGO.!!

    I just spelled out the legal parameters that Trump worked under. All done by the book !
     
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    Esperance, Jan 9, 2020
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  5. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Understand your point. But, since we didn't sign the agreement, we weren't bound by it (I believe it was Dulles, under Eisenhower that refused to sign). And, LBJ acted under the Tonkin Gulf Resolution by Congress (although, in retrospect, the resolution may have been based on false information).
     
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    I doubt that would hold up without the approval of the Iraqi government authorizing the killing or capture of the target. The authorization on funding is consistent with our presence in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi government, the purpose for which was the destruction of ISIS, not to assassinate visiting Iranian Generals. The question is not over his death (and the others as well), but the legality of it. You are ignoring the sovereignty of the Iraqi State.
     
    stone6, Jan 9, 2020
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    The President did not declare war.
     
    AFM, Jan 9, 2020
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    Iraq is a puppet state of Iran.
     
    AFM, Jan 9, 2020
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    Excellent point.
    [​IMG]
     
    US Conservative, Jan 9, 2020
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    First off, don't reply to me, ever.

    Second, uh nope, you're wrong (as usual)...I am not solely relying on the swamp. I have other sources. Do you?

    Third, Hussein Obama had a friggin KILL LIST and droned American citizens without ANY Congressional approval, consultation, heads-up what-so-ever.

    Did I care that Hussein droned some so-called American who was nothing but an Islamo-Nazi born here of Middle East Shithole descent? NOPE. Matter of fact, that is one of the few things he did right.

    Your Grand Messiah labeled Solemani a terrorist....

    And if Hussein Obama droned his ass YOU would want to give him another Nobel Peace Prize.

    So run along and beat the hypocrisy drum.....ya'll do it well.
     
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    That may be...but, it's not your call...or the President's. It was an act of war and as such should have been authorized by Congress.
     
    stone6, Jan 9, 2020
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    I'm sure this was foremost on his mind, when he killed over 600 US Troops...
     
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    Nor could he. That made it an illegal act.
     
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    Why is a terrorist who wears a state uniform, any less "fair game" than Bagdaddy and Osama? Terrorist is a monster (yes, a real life one) either way.

    A state uniform is carte blanche to do what terrorist do?
     
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    We're the good guys. He was a bad guy. Because he broke the rules of war, does not give our President the power to do the same. Trump should have gone to Congress first for approval and then to the Iraqi government for permission to act.
     
    stone6, Jan 9, 2020
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    It was absolutely legal.
     
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    Like Obama did when he he got all drone happy?
     
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    Has to do with our Constitution and internationally accepted rules of war. Yes...he was a bad guy, but there was a right way to do it and a wrong way. Trump exceeded his constitutional authority.
     
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    We'll see. There will be a lot of debate on it over the next few weeks.
     
    stone6, Jan 9, 2020
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    Care to quote the Constitution, on this?
     
    FatBack, Jan 9, 2020
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    You mean like Iraq ignoring the sovereignty of our U.S. Embassy they have a duty to protect????

    I suggest some REEEE REEEE REEEE, RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA, put a cherry on top and impeach the MFR for killing a terrorist. Good luck with that.

    Who was it that violated the sovereignty of Syria and Pakistan?? Oh yeah, the Grand Messiah Hussein Obama himself. The left was so quiet when it happened you could hear a mouse fart.
     
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    I am not talking about Obama. I am talking about Trump.
     
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    Again, the Iraqi government has given the US approval to act within their territory under the UN LOAC. Both in an offensive and defensive posture and subject to UN resolutions. So, we already had authorization based on the UN terrorist designation..

    The LOAC only requires that minimalization parameters are met with drone strikes. The drone strike was legal because it involved an internationally designated terrorist, was void of collateral civilian casualties and with minimal hard asset damage..
     
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    Personally I think anything other than defending against an attack in progress should require Congressional approval, especially in today's day with internet access.

    Make the lazy buggers get out of bed at 2am and have an emergency session.
     
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    It's the part about Congress having the power to declare war. You probably know it. Or, do you want to argue that it isn't in the Constitution?
     
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