There is a time to kill. Keep abortion legal.

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  1. RiseAgainst

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    Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

    According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

    On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

    http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

    Here you go. I'm all for abortion and you can't convince me otherwise.
     
  2. pjohns

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    Killing an "innocent" person is done--in a way, anyway--when mere innocents are killed by, say, a bomb.

    But innocents are seldom the target of killing in a war. (A couple of exceptions: Hiroshima and Nagasaki--and perhaps Dresden, also--which helped end the war.)

    In order to be consistent, you might want to assert that it would be perfectly okay to target innocent civilians in a war--just as unborn children are targeted in an abortion...
     
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    Ahh..I see what you are putting down....Well Excuse me but I am not gonna pick it up, nor even try, good luck with you and your cherry picked statistics...I guess it works, it got Trump elected.
    This is not me saying the statistic are not true...but they count people that are reportedly prescribed the pill in certain jurisdictions that may have an agenda as well, good luck with any type of demographic link you make from that.
     
  4. Distraff

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    There needs to be because killing a human being is wrong. And yes, elective late-term abortions do happen. Are you claiming that Canada has never had a late-term elective abortion?
     
  5. FoxHastings

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    You insist abortion is murder. Murder is the killing of a PERSON.

    YOU insist fetuses have rights, only persons have rights.


    You have NEVER explained why you want fetuses to have more rights than anyone else.....IF a fetus was deemed a "person" then it would have rights AND restrictions....just like other persons...maybe you want fetuses to be "super persons"....
     
  6. FoxHastings

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    I think whether they are "targeted" or not they're just as DEAD even the PREGNANT women...........if YOUR town was being blown up would you quibble about whether you were targeted or not?

    AND, these PEOPLE killed in war are BORN people, they should have the same rights as others and not be blown up.

    The fetus is NOT a person with rights.
     
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    Murder is the deliberate killing of human life.
     
  8. FoxHastings

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    Glad to see you learned finally what elective means...

    Canada may have had elective late term abortions just as any country that bans abortion has illegal abortions....but Canada doesn't need them because women there have ready access to abortions.

    However, Canada's abortion rate is slightly lower than our semi-restricted rate.


    Have you told me yet why any normal woman would wait through 8 1/2 months of the "joy" pregnancy just to have the "fun" of having an abortion? NO, you haven't answered that oft repeated question.


    If killing a human being is wrong write your Congressperson and tell them all war should stop.
     
  9. Vegas giants

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    Actually that is incorrect
     
  10. WAN

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    Maybe our respective definitions for what constitutes murder are different.
     
  11. FoxHastings

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    No, it's not. It's the illegal killing of a person.

    If you think an abortion is the "killing of a human life" and murder why haven't you called the cops?????
     
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    Mine is the legal definition....yours is not
     
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    So if the law is on your side, your definition must be right.

    Appeal to authority. It's a logical fallacy.
     
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    PETA says meat is murder. You may well be a serial killer. Lol
     
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    I see much deflection coming from you.

    Got anything to say about what my post is actually saying? Do you agree with me that just because the law is on your side, it does not necessarily mean that you are right?
     
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    My thought is that we should give women easier access to abortion earlier on including more contraceptives and education to prevent abortion, but since killing a third-trimester fetus when there is no danger to the mother's life is murder, this should be outlawed. A woman might do this if she has a last-minute change of heart. You have not shown that late-term elective abortions in Canada don't happen.
     
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    The overwhelming reason for performing third trimester abortions is because the foetus has little chance of life. The vast majority are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life such as anencephaly

    These are WANTED pregnancies gone horribly, terribly wrong


    Fetal abnormality incompatible with life is a fact and the options for dealing with it are abortion or birth followed by death. This paper reports a qualitative study of the experience of ten women who had a pregnancy termination in a university hospital in Brazil for fetal abnormality incompatible with life. The women were interviewed approximately 40 days after the procedure. The experience was marked by strong emotions for the women, who had a terrible shock on learning of the diagnosis, which was given between 13 and 25 weeks into their pregnancies. They cried, and experienced fear, despair, anguish, a sense of uselessness and refusal to accept the situation. When they took the decision to terminate their pregnancies, the women experienced sadness, despair and guilt, and all these feelings caused them intense suffering. The killing of the fetus was the most difficult part of the termination for them. Nevertheless, afterwards they were satisfied with the decision taken and believed that it was the correct one, despite the anguish it caused. The inclusion of fetal abnormality incompatible with life in the Brazilian law on pregnancy termination would help to reduce women's suffering and contribute to the provision of supportive care by the health services.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16291495
     
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    You deny that peta says meat is murder? The law is on my side against peta.....does that mean it is right?

    You may call abortion a potato if you wish.....anyone can make any definition they like
     
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    We could also make abortion retroactive.
     
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    I never said that just because the law is your side, it must necessarily mean that you are right (or wrong, or whatever). My point is that laws are man-made and fallible. They change all the time and can be found to be wanting or inadequate in some way. Just because the law agrees with you, it does not mean you must be correct.

    Except that calling abortion murder is very different from calling it potato.
     
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    Frankly I am fine with calling it murder if you like. You may call it the wholesale genocide of millions of gods little children if you like. It's all just opinion. Semantics. It does not change a thing or stop a single abortion. Ever.
     
  25. Bowerbird

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    Ans I would like to see a level of academic referencing in all posts

    Otherwise it is just your opinion versus mine and mate a validated referenced opinion beats troglodyte "duh don fink so" any day
     

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