There is no evidence for the existence or non-existence of God...

"There is no evidence for aliens - therefore alien life does not exist"

Bad argument, and been done to death a million times

 

No one "knows" anything but they can have an opinion - no one "knows" if OJ Simpson was guilty or not (unless they saw him do it themselves), but that doesn't stop them from having an opinion one way or the other - that's just a cop out

 

isnt there a street corner where you can go preach?

 

No, I am just one of the few theists that is unbiased and honest enough to admit that there is no proof of the existence of God. Reason ends where faith begins. A big difference between me and many other theists is I don't push my theism on anyone.

 

I can handle belief w/o proof, but believe w/o evidence is beyond me.

 

As it is to many... and that's OK. My faith is more a feeling, and I am unbiased enough to admitted that my feeling may be wrong. I do not believe it is as my faith has been beneficial in my life. But whether my faith has been a placebo effect or the result of a connection to God is for all intensive purposes is irrelevant... as it works for me and I am a better man for it.

Personally I think atheists are great and I get along with atheists waaay better than I do most theists of organized religions. But as a Deist I am just one step removed from an atheism.

 

last step before atheism, then, just a step you may not take.

i could imagine there is some god, but the one in the bible sure isnt it.

 

Well said... let's consider that people some centuries ago thought there was total nothingness beyond the borders of earth, but it took a loooong time since then before someone dared to say again that outside of discovered stars lies nothing... only to be disproved again.

 

well said,
except that argument wasnt being made.

 

Not sure what that has to do with anything

Basically the argument that there can't be "some type of intelligent being" which pre-dated the known universe, the Big Bang, etc and caused it to exist - just because "there is no evidence of it" is a bad argument. The idea that 'it was created' is just as valid as 'it existed on its own'

 

the problem comes when you start trying to ascribe creation to 'some type of intelligent being'. then pinning it down to pre-universe, the necessary location for fulfilment of creation myths. the universe (and whatever was 'before' same) is probably swarming with intelligent beings. some may be powerful enough to create nude monkeys, some may be as powerful as garden snails. actually deciding that any of these potentials is Ever Just So, according to a very small region of bronze-age earth - an inconsequential planet, in an inconsequential solar system, on an inconsequential spiral arm of an inconsequential galaxy, is outstandingly idiotic. but even then, you went further and gave it a gender, a name, and a personality. you even gave him a (incoherent and blazingly ethnocentric) backstory.

 

Just take it as i said, it's not difficult. Humans discover more and more as time passes, eventually one day we will find out what the word " god " refers to, may it be an intelligent extraphisical form, may it be a reference to the universe/multiverse as a whole ( " brahman " in induism ), may it be just a plain fantasy born out of nothing...

It' not the first time you find difficult to understand what i say, so my suggestion is to try a little harder before posting or refrain at all from saying anything

 

Lay on, MacDuf. My viewpoint, like many others, is based on the search for truth and the relevance, from a personal perspective. There's motive but not so much of an agenda to persuade others. The motive is towards overcoming the limitations of existence in a physical world that is not entirely tangible. Are you so competent and comfortable in your logic that limitations and intangibilities are not problematic enough to push you to start thinking "outside the box?"

 

Here's an idea that is being distributed recently: Outside our universe is the "Godverse" of total, infinite freedom, freedom of unlimited choice. That would have to include the choice not to be free, one that gives rise to a place like this universe, and this world. Hence manifests myriad ways for existence to operate under various restrictions to freedom. Fortunate are we whose mothers were not turtles or mayflies.