There's nothing to discuss. Biden used USAid to blackmail Ukraine

Because that is not a good president to put into a law.

By the way are you aware that Shokin was a leftover from the corrupt pro Russian scum turd Yanukovych administration.

 

You are a victim of leftist propaganda.
Shokin served from February 2015 till March 2016. He was appointed by Poroshenko.
Now tell me, how many large profile cases can a general prosecutor prosecute in 13 months? The claim that EU and the US wanted a general prosecutor fired in just 13 months in office is a total bovine excrement.

 

He was not!

 

In fact, I did not. I just don’t like bull sh!t.

 

Many people wanted general prosecutor fired after just 13 months in office? Really? Quite often it takes over a year to prosecute regular crime, and it takes years to investigate high level corruption.

 

I am not a victim of anything. I do not need leftist nor rightist views because I know what is going on. Even though Poroshenko appointed him Victor Shokin is tied to the pro Russian scum turd Yanukovych and Shokin refused or failed to prosecute any of the Yanukovych turds left in Ukraine. Shokin did 0 nothing against corruption so do not bother with the 13 month red herring.

Shokin was thrown out with n overwhelming vote in the Rada. .

Seriously when I hear anyone invoke or accuse people of be victims of leftist or rightist propaganda I call that the lowest form of bovine excrement .

 

He failed

Victor Shokin was from the old days he was completely corrupt even though he was a friend of Poroshenko.
Shokin did not even start to prosecute any high level corrupt people.

 

Out of 71,000 criminal cases in 2013 in the US, only 20,000 were completed within 1 year.
Nobody could expect reasonable prosecution in such a shot time. I’ve watched one rape case in Chicago and it dragged for over 2 years. How long do you think it would take to investigate and prosecute a high profile corruption case.
You are not being reasonable and are just rewriting the propaganda you were fed by the leftist media.

 

By that standard, everybody older than 50 in Ukraine is part of corrupted old school.
Again, how can you expect to investigate and prosecute corruption case in less than 13 months?

 

Of course the above poster IS a Ukrainian...a Putin loving Ukrainian

and

"Trump has claimed that Biden in 2016 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating a Ukrainian gas producer, Burisma Holdings, that had added Biden’s son Hunter to its board. But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms.

Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden."

 

Trump however tried to coerce the government of Ukraine (a foreign entity folks) into opening a bogus investigation against his political rival in order to help his election chances

 

To fire a Ukrainian prosecutor as condition?

In the U.S. the executive branch has sole responsibility for foreign policy.

 

I guess we are all in agreement. Trump broke the law.

 

No, Congress can put conditions on how and when the aid transactions actually happen.

 

My passport actually says American. But I am fluent in 3 languages.
And everyone here who frequents news section here know my love for Pootin.
Nice try, though!

Shokin was general prosecutor for 13 months. It’s not enough time to start and “shelve” the case. That’s not even enough time for the US to prosecute a crime in majority of cases.
But keep spreading lies and smears. That’s the only thing left is good for these days.

 

Are you talking to yourself?

 

This post is a perfect example of what the left have become. They are very welcoming to illegal immigrants, yet if a legal immigrant disagrees with the left then they descend to smears and outright lies accusing someone of doing something they don’t (loving Pootin).

Leftists are all for equality till someone disagrees with them. Like a CNN guy who called West a N!gger who doesn’t know how to read for supporting Trump, this clown descends to personal insults and lies.

Good job!

That’s why I don’t vote for your clowns anymore.

 

Russian trolls also love to race race issues...on threads where it doesn't belong

 

Trump however tried to coerce the government of Ukraine (a foreign entity folks) into opening a bogus investigation against his political rival in order to help his election chances

 

I see.
You are talking to yourself and call those that disagree with you trolls.
I’m sorry for trying to disturb whatever it is your state of mind is in (if you even have it). I’ll make sure to never bother you again by placing you on my ignore list.
Have fun with having a conversation with your own self!

 

"Trump has claimed that Biden in 2016 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating a Ukrainian gas producer, Burisma Holdings, that had added Biden’s son Hunter to its board. But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms.

Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden."

 

Here's my evidence. Post yours.

 

Sure

"Trump has claimed that Biden in 2016 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating a Ukrainian gas producer, Burisma Holdings, that had added Biden’s son Hunter to its board. But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms.

Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden."

Trump and the Trumper minions are trying to DEFLECT from the fact that Trump tried to coerce a foreign government into opening a bogus investigation of his political rival.

THAT is WRONG and Trump should be removed from office because of it.

If he gets away with this, what's next?

Paying off African dictators (with YOUR money folks) to do the same?

 

There's nothing to discuss. Biden used USAid to blackmail Ukraine

Then why are you discussing it?

 

CNN reports, "House Democrats are nearing a tipping point on impeachment in the wake of the Trump administration blocking a whistleblower complaint's release to Congress.

"Moderate Democrats are showing new openness to move ahead with such an inquiry."

Inquiry, yes, inquiries will reveal to the voting public that Trump has broken the law several times. Impeachment, absolutely not.

CNN continued, "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is planning to put a resolution on the House floor tomorrow to address the Ukraine issue amid growing calls to start the impeachment process, sources said." Don't go there, Nancy.

"Former Vice President Joe Biden will say that Congress has "no choice but to impeach" President Trump if he does not comply with representatives' requests for information, according to a campaign aide."

That is playing right into Trump's hands. He wants to be impeached. How else do you explain his moronic weather forecast warning Alabama of a hurricane based on five day old NWS map? How else do you explain his invitation to the terrorist sponsors of the 9/11 hijackers to Camp David? How else do you explain his weak response to Iranian aggression and multiple violations of JCPOA? How else do you explain his admission that he broke the law regarding the whistleblower complaint (see post 405)?

The purpose of impeachment is to remove the President, but impeachment is a mere indictment. That is all it is. Impeachment will not remove the President. The trial is held in the Senate. As things stand now, there is no possible way Mitch's Senate will remove the Republican President.

All the Democrats will do is further divide this country and cause sympathy for Trump who was accused of these awful things, but proven innocent in the Senate trial. The Democrats' impeachment gambit will fail and along with it their aspirations of gaining the Presidency in 2020. They are not going to win the Presidency by failing.

Impeaching Trump will result in four more years of Trump!