They Changed The Definition of Fascism | It's NOT Right Or Left Wing

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens.
    Adolf Hitler
     
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    Fascism. like Nazism, is a right-wing ideology. Must I quote from the many, many books published by authors between the 1930s and now?
     
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    I graduated same year as you and yes we operated under the principle that Facusm/Nazism were right wing and that Socialism/Communism was left wing.
     
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    We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

    who said that?
    sounds like something Bernie Sanders would spew doesn't it

    well it is a quote from Hitler

    Fascism was always a leftist ideology and in practice
    Fascism required a large controlling centralized government
    Fascist Germany and Italy both had extensive government run social programs
    Fascism was basically socialism combined with nationalism
     
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    I'm just saying that he was clearly looking at dictionary.com but had a different definition from the one I got when I searched. I also took (more like lugged) out my 93 unabridged websters and it's much the same, except that it goes into the etymology of the word.
     
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    As those media outlets tend to be owned by very conservative corporations, of course they're very conservative. The way the media worked so diligently to get Trump elected should have made that obvious to anyone.

    Obviously, pretending that the media is liberal illustrates a classic fascist propaganda technique. Hearing such nonsense is one quick way to identify a fascist, or at least an authoritarian follower.
     
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    Wrong.
     
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    It is so damn ridiculous for Fascists that are Leftists to change the definition to attack their enemies. Now we have their cohorts in here actually arguing against Hitler's own words.

    Which side today is refusing to allow Free Speech?
    Which side is using thug tactics to attack the other side in mass on a regular basis?

    What happened to the Leftists that wanted to fight against oppression instead of for it?
     
  10. Kode

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    Well, you know what? Your post and video is pure bovine excrement ("BS"). My 1973 American Heritage Dictionary defines fascism as "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

    So if older versions are more reliable, fascism is of the right as define in 1973.
     
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    Liberals must have went back in time and changed it. No other explanation.
     
  12. Kode

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    Fascism has never had any permutation that included any attempt to actually provide workers with ownership and/or control of the means of production. And without that you don't have socialism or anything of the left.
     
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    ^^^^ Here is more Liberal definition changing. NOTHING in Liberal definitions mentions the workers. It's all about the government control.

    By the way my 1967 Webster New World Dictionary has no mention of "left" or "right" in regards to "fascism". I think you are just making **** up. The video provided straight up proof directly from the dictionaries. You provided nothing.
     
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    Pres Obama's birth certificate ?
     
  15. Kode

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    No, you're the one making **** up. And what's your rant about "nothing in Liberal definitions mentions the workers"? It's only the liberal and left that ever calls for raising the minimum wage, and that is paid to .............. --wait for it .................. --WORKERS! The liberals and left are the only ones who work to protect workers' rights. Liberals are all about workers and yet you want to argue the point.
     
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    Go ahead... share with the class a definition of "Socialism" that includes the word "workers".

    Dictionary.com

    so·cial·ism
    ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
    noun
    noun: socialism
    1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
      synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
      radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
      communism, Marxism, labor movement
      "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
      • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
        synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
        radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;
        communism, Marxism, labor movement
        "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"
      • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

    Merriam-Webster


    Definition of socialism
    1. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    2. 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

    3. 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
     
  17. Kode

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    Nobody with a brain in their head is going to support or defend your position on this.

    And BTW, we were talking about LIBERALISM, not SOCIALISM. Or do you think they're the same thing?
     
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    ROFL! Everyone supported my position pre 2009.

    Go ahead... share with us all a definition of "Liberalism" with the work "workers" in it? This is like fish in a barrel. :roflol:
     
  19. Kode

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    I answered that. Try to get someone who disagrees with what I posted in post #40. Good luck! :roflol:
     

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