my friend was not a terrorist ... he was a teacher ..they killed him ....why ? who can tell me why ? who can help his daughter to believe what a disaster !!! he do nothing just express his opinion i have nothing to say >>they killed our hope of the democracy ,they killed and killed and killed
Juntas and democracy do not mix. The coup perpetrators will now resume their programmes of repression, surveillance, arrests, imprisonment, torture and murder. Those that find it impossible to be pacifists should protect and fight for those who are.
Actually I'm a bit curious as well. I can't speak for everyone, but I think a lot of people in the west were surprised at how hard the military hit the protesters. What is at stake here? Is backing down even an option for those not in the Muslim Brotherhood, particularly those associated with the "old regime" or the current military government? Or would they be looking at a devestating outcome if not death either at the hands of the MB or at the hands of other militaries if they're thrown at Israel or the US? Are they in a kill or be killed situation?
Obviously not. No one has been able to find any information of anyone shooting at soldiers where the massacre took place. I am concerned that it may be a desire to destroy the brotherhood. I'm basing this on very little. One poster here wants all who believe in religion and politics together killed. She wants to follow Ataturk's way. I was also listening to one of the coup supporters the other day. She as well mentioned Turkey, that she had been their studying, she was a Dr or something and then she said in a not sure whether she could say it way, things that sounded like she felt it was important to be ruthless with anyone whose political and religious views were joined. Ataturk's way was to be absolutely ruthless with anyone who felt this way. It is also the view that took the US into Iraq - be ruthless with Muslims and that resulted in a massive increase in al qaeda type extremists. Here it appears to be being presented by secular Muslims towards those with a desire to combine the two as a great deal of the West did originally e.g. Christian Democrats. Here "The New Yorkers George Packer" describes the situation http://972mag.com/cairo-massacre-and-winner-takes-all-politics/77434/ - - - Updated - - - sorry to hear this.
Why does a protestor need to shoot at police in order to be shot back at? I saw the video and they were hurling rocks and firebombs at them. If you don't want to get shot, its very simple. Protest peacefully. Otherwise natural selection takes place very very quickly.
Alpha, while I agree with the logic of your premise when the death toll tops 600 you have to wonder. Was the military fighting to protect themselves and the peace or were they killing indiscriminately Imagine if that happened in the U S. would you believe 600 Americans weren't bright enough to back down or the military was seeking vengeance? I would like to believe American protesters would be smart enough to realize the battles lost and its better to live to fight another day. What happened in Egypt I can't say but you gotta wonder.
I am sure there is truth in your statement that the military is definitely heavy handed for sure. This is probably going to get much worse before it gets better. Unfortunately humans are a violent species and we very often cannot resolve our problems without killing each other. When this cycle starts, the only thing that stops it is a higher level of violence. We honestly don't deserve this planet but.....that's another discussion.
I was there and saw for myself the protesters do not have nothing but stones ... while police and army shoot to kill
I'm sorry for your loss as well. This has gotten so out of hand. This world needs some real leadership, desperately....
May his soul rest in peace. May whatever god he believes in look after his soul. I'm sorry, I hope the daughter will be okay, with family if at all possible.
That's not exactly what I'm asking about. What I mean is what would have been (or what would now be) the consequences for the military or the other factions involved if they simply allowed for a Muslim Brotherhood takeover? I remember there being lots of talk about clearing out those associated with the old regime or with the west. And it is the Muslim Brotherhood after all. Is the violence to be expected if people feel that they're backed up against the wall?
what on earth do you mean? Yes, they are now strongly behind the coup and back into ascendancy. If you remove any democratically elected government and then start massacring the people who protest against that, then do not be surprised if you get a reaction. A political resolution to the situation had been agreed within the EU and the MB. There is no excuse or justification for this massacre of over 600 dead and thousands injured. These are their own people the army are attacking. Film when the camp was attacked begun by our cameraman Mick Deane before he was killed It is the one on the right. [video]http://news.sky.com/story/1129141/egypt-defends-crackdown-as-un-council-meets[/video]
I don't think either Egyptian faction (the Regime or the Brotherhood) are truly representative of the Egyptian people's desires which are to live in a free republic/democracy, not a tyranny or a theocracy.
[MENTION=2157]chateabriand[/MENTION] By the way, sorry for the loss of your friend. While your phrasing got me curious, it's still a tragic situation over there. I don't think "smarts" is the difference. The US occupy movement seemed to half recreation and half protesting because they no longer wished to suffer under the cheap dataplan for their iphones. Not really something to suffer serious consequences for. Whereas the Egypt situation has high stakes and the flavor of a religious war. These people seem willing to risk becoming martyrs for what they believe in.
