This makes it official. Trump will be impeached

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have reading comprehension issues? All politicians lie. That's their job. My comment was directed at politicians of every flavor, including your preferred team.
     
  2. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't support Trump or Hillary, both losers.
     
  3. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    yeah, I didn't either.
     
  4. dairyair

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    Then the only gains or losses that really count here, are to the American people.
    Other than racism coming out of the closet and causing big issues, overall, Americans as a whole, gained in the last 8 yrs.
    And America has been recovering from the pist poor policies of the previous 20 yrs where gains were fake and due to bubble economies.
     
  5. CrankyPant

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    Congratulations. You've just won a really valuable scholarship to Trump University.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Frankly I could have taught those classes.

    I have been in real estate since 1971. I would tell people to pay over $30,000 for such a course means to me their porch light is not working properly.

    By the way, i have invested in real estate starting in 1965. Judging by your snark, you may not have yet been born by the time of my 5th or 6th purchases.
     
  7. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is simply impossible to avoid conflicts of interest. If he liquidates his businesses into cash all of a sudden he has a huge interest in ensuring that inflation doesn't get out of control, and so might alter his monetary policy or appoint Chairpersons to the Federal Reserve who are inflation-averse.

    Clearly he likes his hair products, maybe he will benefit the hairdressing industry. Should he have to cut off his hair? But then he might benefit the bald care products industry.

    I have a big issue with the notion of conflicts of interest in the first place. It assumes guilt before guilt is established. If you can prove that a person is acting in their self-interest and compromising their oath, then they should be impeached. Just because this is a difficult thing to prove doesn't mean you shouldn't have to prove it.

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    In any case, the law is on his side, as is Congress. This is not changing for at least 4 years. So he can, and will, tell the Democrats to go get stuffed.
     
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where do you get this notion racism came out of the closet?

    Growing up, i was not exposed to it. I live in Ca. Even in high school, the few blacks attending the school did not cause race problems.

    But when I was drafted into the Army, the blacks made certain we got lessons in racism.That was 1962.

    Kennedy pointed us in the right direction. I had voted for him. Then Johnson shows up and took us down the drain.

    I at first, just out of the Army, defended our troops to those i talked to. Back then, we talked to real people. We did not talk on forums to try to expose our stupidity. Then, one did that face to face,.

    Yes, i defended what Johnson had done. Those who whined to me we had no business in Vietnam got an earful from me as to their duty to support the troops. And I was at that moment very devoted to Democrats.

    We were entirely thrilled with Kennedy for his cutting taxes to the public.

    You bet your best shoes we loved it when Reagan shoved the throttle.

    Since I was in the real estate business at the time of Reagan, I easily saw what took place due to his fixing the laws.

    I voted for my final Democrat when I voted to elect Carter. No more. I had my fill of the man maybe by his 3rd year.

    So what happened to real estate in Carters last year? Frankly it went to hades.

    Buyers still wanted some homes and it took me maybe 2 months to perfect my system that kept me selling property.

    We lost over 50 percent of the agents in this area. In fact it was nearer to losing 66 percent of them. Carter hurt our economy that much.

    It took too much time for Reagan to fix it, but he was flying a rocket in comparison to Obama.

    Clinton flat out got lucky. I recall that so well. I had opened my appraisal business formally in 1992. Real estate sales had dropped fast in the early era of Clinton. Clinton brags but I appraised. I had to issue reports over the fall of the Clinton economy.

    i saw it get a boost during the Dot. Com

    I get a charge how some posters defend not only Clinton, but also Obama.

    He fooled you is all.

    Bush had to solve that problem too and did.
     
  9. dairyair

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    If you were unaware of racism of the USA in the 60s, Marin Luther King, etc, I don't know what to say about your education.
    You may not have been aware at the time, for it was all in the making, but as you got out of high school and expanded past the limited surroundings, you should have been aware. I assume you had access to TV and radio.

    Racsim has always existed, but laid fairly dormant until 2008. Then a black man was prez, and it did not sit well with many.

    And what problem did bush solve? How to make houses lose in value?
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is not correct.

    Conflicts of interest are easily taken care of.

    For instance, when i started appraising full time, due to the poor Clinton economy, I disclosed.

    I had by 1993 also opened my mortgage firm.

    And I got approved by the major lenders along with many more lenders as an appraiser. i had the highest residence license. The sole license higher was to do full time commercial. I was not then interested in that business but was top rated for homes.

    You posters never saw the forums i had to submit to those lenders. Those lenders wanted full exposure of any chance of a conflict.

    If you told them the truth, that was their main interest.

    So I told both the appraisal customers and the mortage companies what I did.

    I even rejected orders my own agents tried to place with me since I told them their request for particular value was impossible. Asked by my workers if they could work with other appraisers, I told all of them they could select any lawful licensed appraiser.

    I also counseled them to never ask any appraiser to come up with fake values. I never put up with that. i had half a dozen appraiser working full time for me and never asked any of them for a false value of any property.

    I had a very good reputation as an appraiser.

    DISCLOSE

    If you do that, and it is fine with those you deal with, at least you gave them the chance to turn you down.

    DISCLOSE to them all, all things they must know to figure out who you are.

    Trump, should he not have his sons running things like a blind trust will, shall be found out. He better bank on others finding out. They will make it look like a capital crime.

    Trump knows the outcome. HE would chance being impeached.
     
  11. Steady Pie

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    How? Congress isn't going to change hands while he's in office, the wrong people are up for reelection in the Senate. Moreover, the President is largely immune from conflict of interest laws. He could legally continue as chairman if he wanted to, although his schedule likely wouldn't allow it.

    My point wasn't that you can't reduce your conflict of interest, but that you can only ever reduce it. Some conflicts will always exist no matter how hard you try to eliminate them.
     
  12. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I simply reject it came out when Trump ran for office.

    Certainly I recall all of that. I was by the time of my entry into the military, 24 so I knew what was on TV.

    My first exposure to racism was via blacks. Taught to we whites by blacks in the same army.

    When got sent to Ft. Benning GA, under orders to train for Air borne, believe me i saw racism. Again taught to me by blacks.

    I was then a staunch Democrat. I saw up close the dirty politics of the Democrats. We in CA had not approached their level of racism.

    It is not wise to admit that it is Obama's fault some racists commenced to chatter. It makes Obama look very bad.

    I recall in the Army in Germany, one of the excellent blacks. Matter of fact, though I did not know him very well, I saved his hide due to an Article 15 against him. I saved his stripes and his pay. I still consider that a mark of compassion for a fine black guy.

    i told the company commander when he got back from vacation what i did. See, it was his XO dealing out some serious punishment over extremely slight problems. The XO loved to deliver gut wrenching Article 15s and i saved other troops as well, black and white.

    My CO accepted my judgement vs the Lt's judgement. i went over each Article 15 and explained why the guy did not deserve such harsh judgement. Did i mention my CO was black? We got along so well he took my advice and we ripped up the article 15s. His only admonishment was that I put him on the spot by him having to go against the XO.

    I had by that time prepared so many Article 15s and knew how the CO did them, I knew he never would have done those men as the XO did them.
     
  13. monkrules

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    It’s true that republican congressmen are partisan and cynical hacks. But these invertebrates are also world-class cowards. When Americans march to the Capitol with pitchforks and torches, the spineless republicans will turn on small-hands and rush to impeach just so they can save their own worthless skin.

    Nothing moves republican politicians to action like their built-in cowardice. Once things heat up, they’ll be sh!tting in their shoes.
     
  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clinton outlasted attempts to impeach him. And Clinton's crimes were real, not speculated about.

    Can you eliminate or reduce a conflict of interest?

    A good example was when my last wife wanted me to cooperate in her decision to divorce.

    i did not hire an attorney. I looked over her lawyers deal and agreed to it. And that lawyer asked me to agree she was not in conflict of interest. i agreed.

    There are ways to ensure the party you approach has a way to trust you. That woman lawyer had my trust. But then again,. I also know a lot about law. (full disclosure to you ... but not in criminal law. But do understand criminal contract law. )

    Say you are buying a car. And the guy tells you he plans to cheat you and you sign documents he plans to cheat you, he manages to slip by you by full documented admission.
     
  15. Hairball

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    Your question is based on a false premise.
     
  16. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You made my point about racism. Thanks.

    Obama brought up the racism by his own bigotry and discrimination.

    I came back to the last point you made since you sarcastically blame Bush over home declines.

    Myself and other posters have laid the entire case out as to why that is a false premise.

    Bush had nothing at all to do with homes having bad loans nor their prices falling. Matter of fact,it was Bush trying to save housing and the democrats blocking his proposals.

    I was a mortgage lender up to 12/31 when the Obama law called Dodd Frank handed me a blow.

    I did not prefer to pay $400 dollars more to simply hold the license.

    For ages, that license was mine due to my payments to CA.

    Being entitled to make loans does not mean you are making them. I did nothing wrong, yet found I have to pay them or stay out.

    Do you recall when Clinton got disbarred? At least in his case he had done wrong. My crime is not paying more for a class i am expert in and delivering their blood money to government.
     
  17. monkrules

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    All this worry about a president Chump destroying America may be a bit premature. I mean, Trump is going to be very busy in the White House. His mind will occupied with other things... things he is deeply passionate about. For instance, he’s sure to spend a lots and lots of time daydreaming about his closest, warmest, pal Vladimir.

    And when Vlad doesn’t get him started, ole Trump will be giving First Daughter Ivanka a LOT of thought. It’s been reported that Trump’s favorite little girl is to be installed in an office in the White House, very near dear old dad. That’s sure to keep small-hands’ motor running. Cosy, huh?

    Here’s a line from the story, and a link for those interested:

    “...Ivanka Trump will reportedly inherit an office in the same White House space typically used by the First Lady”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ving-lady-white-house-space-article-1.2910826
     
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    Impeachment is a quasi-legal process imposed on political institutions. Trump's party is in power in both houses. He has too many friends in the DA's office for charges to ever get in front of a grand jury and the 'jury' could not possibly be more stacked in his favor if that were ever to change. He could murder three babies with video sent to youtube, and nothing would happen.
     
  19. CourtJester

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    Yes since the buildup in debt was largly a result of the Bush recession coupled with the Bush tax cuts and the Bush phony wars.

    And exactly why do you think the national debt is going to destroy the middle class?
     
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    It is in no shape or fashion a blind trust.
     
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    Racism was dormant till 2008? One can only assume either you were born in 2007 or you are jesting.
     
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    If you were an honest appraiser you were an exception.
     
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    I predicted that his Adminstration would far surpass the corruption of the George W Bush Adminstration and approach that of the Second Grant Administration.

    He seems intent on living down to my low expectations as quickly as possible.

    He has just given anyone who expected even the gesture of professionalism or ethical conduct the big finger.

    And you're are celebrating.......
     
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    Nothing in your post is true or makes any sense at all.

    Race baiting in the GOP dates back decades and is well documented.

    The overt racism of the most radical right wing Republicans was on open display during the 2008 election.

    The GOP was puttting the tea party pubic relations camaign before the election occurred as well. It's overt racism is also well documented.

    Race baiting continued and accellerated after the 2008 election, focused clearly on people like you.

    Race baiting appeared in every single election since, always on the GOP side.

    This is clearly and obviously false. Fox News and talk radio were playing the bigot's card long before the election even occurred.

    But it does appear to be a reflection if your own racism.

    You say you got out of the mortgage business because you didn't want to pay a bill. I guess making liar loans wasn't as easy as it had once been.

    And yes, the Bush adminstration did everything it could to keep the speculative bubble going, and did drive the economy right in the ditch because of it.

    And, in contrast to your blatantly false claims about Obama, that's easy to document.
     
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    I'm celebrating that psychotic, war mongering, neocon, banking whore Hillary being knocked out, along with her doppleganger obama
     

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