Thoughts on Religion vs Evolution...

How ridiculous is this? Let me show you... J. R. R. Tolkien or is it Tolkein - Tolkenn - Tollken... Tolken? I don't know to be honest, but I can tell you all about his books and how they left out the pot smoker that the hobbits ran into on their journeys in the movies!

But, I will look when I have time. After I find this with your "supposed" knowledge about search engines, post you don't know anything about biology and cease.

How do I know about Ernst Mayr? He's a biologist and a Big One at that since he was a radical in his time dealing with evolution...

You just stumbled into the lions cave!!!

 

H ah haaa ha...

Took me less time finding that than a post about the missing link!! Which is still missing mind you. Last seen in Baltimore I believe getting on a Greyhound bus!

http://pages.towson.edu/scully/biology.html

For those who skim - ...what he sees as the fundamental points that should be incorporated into a philosophy for the biological sciences. That these principles have not been recognized more clearly is because, according to Mayr, philosophers of science continue to use the physical sciences (especially Physics) as a model for all of the sciences.

He feels that science is physics and IF biology is science then science needs to change around biology- which is TOTALLY CORRECT!!!

The tendency to look at some aspects of biology as being somehow less "scientific" than the physical sciences is not restricted to philosophers of science who use the physical sciences as their model; the same attitude can be found within biology because there are two main ways in which biologists can approach their research. In studying a particular phenomenon, you can ask either proximate or ultimate questions. The proximate aspects of a phenomenon are usually related to the question "How...?", while the ultimate issues are usually addressed by "Why...?".

And for the finale:

The model of the scientific method that is derived from the physical sciences leaves one with the impression that the goal of science is to generate "laws" (e. g., the statements of Newton and Kepler on general and planetary motion, respectively). Laws in this sense are statements of fact that have been demonstrated to fit all known cases. Biologists have occasionally suffered from a desire to emulate the physical sciences by establishing laws (e. g., Ernst Haeckel's Biogenetic Law - "Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny"), but the historical component and intrinsic variability of biological systems make such universal statements impossible. Biological science advances by developing general concepts which are used to guide our approach to particular phenomena.

As I stated - do you want to discuss this biologist or not?!?! Be more than happy to with ANYONE in fact!!!

 

Aaaaaaand.... You're done...

 

i see you are at the office......

How many post so far this am?

 

If you are typing ask your mother to come over and use HER fingers. Then look above!!!

Count with her so you don't get the wrong number!!!

So... Bishadi "The Mad Poster"... How many did you and your mother count - NOT INCLUDING THIS ONE!!!

Don't want to confuse you....

 

Excruciatingly ridiculous. Spectacularly ridiculous. Transcendently ridiculous. And this accounts for the ridicule you have been receiving.

How ironic that the one lie in that paragraph is the one that claims you are being honest.

 

i can see you are off break

 

And yet, what you found proves that you had your head firmly in rectal defilade:

Here is what you claimed:

You then went on to blame that stupid assertion on Ernst Mayr (whose name you couldn't even remember).

So... does this (secondary) source you "found" back that up? Does it say or even hint just once that biology and science are not the same thing? No... in fact its very first sentence directly contradicts you:

Ooops. You said biology wasn't a science. This source of yours calls it exactly that. And not just once:

How can you manage to be so consistently wrong?

Life must be quite a challenge for you.

 

I HAVE BEEN THROUGH WAY TOO MANY GRASPING POSTS FOR THIS TO EVEN EFFECT ME...

I know what I posted and I will show you what I posted. Since you have no clue what it is you are talking about – you pull a *Classic Grasping (definition later – but some already know) and don’t deal with the subject matter, but instead use the words to try to defend your case. I know, I know… But… But… No! What has happened is you chose not to read NOR understand the underline of what the subject matter is. I have stated this so many times over two years.

I am not going to hand feed you if you say you know a subject and then I find out you are just another Google Ninja bored in his/her mother’s basement. Nope. Not happening…

Now to the subject!

Now… Of course Biology is a science… That’s not what I was saying now was it? Because this is what I was saying…

Thus, like Mayr – I believe that biology should be on different ground than physics since it is dealing with phenomenon. Now, do you want to recap on anything? Need any help understanding? It’s all right there above and there for you to read.

Do you understand?

*Grasping Classic – definition – subject matter is discussed and when pressed on an issue that is and can’t be Google’d divert conversation to specifics. Example is using the generic definition for evolution instead of the biology definition of evolution.

 

What does that even mean?

You explicitly denied it was a science. Here... let me quote you again:

Not only is biology a science, within biology the scientific concepts of fact and theory are identical to those concepts in all the other sciences, to include physics and chemistry.

Again... you were lying about what Ernst Mayr said.

 

Inside joke between me and the readers... this debate has been going on for over two (2) years...

Quote it all day, like I say to you... Post away! Doesn't deny the fact of the subject matter that I stated to you BEFORE I posted that now does it? Nope - you are clinging on to something I just threw out there, and not addressing that you are wrong! AGAIN!!! The subject matter WKA... The initial subject matter!!!

Now, since you remember - since I posted it - please state that you were incorrect about Mayr please, becasue you were...

Uhhh... did you not see the link and quotes I put up with the discussion? So, call me liar, or whatever. I don't care really...

All I know is that there are A LOT of people who read this and I have nothing to prove except for them to read for themselves and I already know (due to the kudos I get) that you are equivalent to lint I throw in a summer breeze and you just pass time by floating on this subject you know nothing about until the breeze pushes you in a different direction.

Gravity and evolution should not be compared as Mayr stated because of phenomenon. PERIOD!!! I am right - you are wrong... AGAIN!

Now... another inside joke - You are a Peanut... So, do you want to be considered Plain, Salty, or Honey Roasted?

 

I can see your back on ignore... Funny thing...? Is I have been noticing your on ignore by half the forum!!!



When do you plan on getting banned from here also Bishadi "The Mad Poster"?

 

Why, after demonstrating that you lied about what Mayr said, would I state such a thing? It would be wrong to do so.

This is a lie. Mayr never said that gravity and evolution should not be compared. Certainly your secondary sources never show that he did. Gravity is never mentioned once in them.

Your ability to completely fail the comprehension of even your own sources remains unblemished.

 

IT'S LIKE GRASPING MULTIPIED BY FIVE (5)!!!!!

No it wouldn't since you are wrong...

You all knew this was about to come huh…?

LOOK you flippin genius of course Gravity isn’t mentioned… But, since you are such a genius you probably figured out that gravity isn’t part of physics huh? You probably in all your single digit brain cells figured out that there is no “math” involved in Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation?

Want more – oh… I got more!!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...5390l0l8234l12l11l0l0l0l0l281l2498l0.3.8l11l0

There is a whole STREAM of websites that you can see that shows Gravity and Physics are what? Do you know? Of course you don’t Peanut, but it’s okay – hopefully one of your fellow Planters will come help you, but I don’t think they will, but you never know!

Now, you are what we call fodder. I will be internet pimp slap your retarded posts from here on out. You have done nothing except post ridiculous retardation from amputated elbows that have done nothing but made readers dumber. You haven’t contributed to anything dealing with evolution that amounted to anything but wasted time!!! And when you attempted you were so far off base (dealing with Capt. Peanutkempfwagon’s post) that you were laughed at! Nothing – absolutely NOTHING you posted was right. I did try to give you a fighting chance, but seriously… Your FAIL is pretty serious. I suggest drinking tonight and maybe you’ll forget that sick feeling of being wrong and then crapping on that wrong, but not getting out, but lying in all your crap then rolling in it post after post after post.

Proud?

You should be – there are only a few who have reached your status!!! Kudos!!!

 

He didn't say GRAVITY AND EVOLUTION!!!! HE DIDN'T SAY GRAVITY AND EVOLUTION DBM!!!

Nope...

But, he did say this: The reason why Biology differs from the physical sciences is because of the characteristics of living systems which are, among others: (1) the importance of history in organic evolution; (2) the possession of a structured, inheritable genetic program; (3) the hierarchical structure of living systems, and the existence of emergent properties at almost every level; (4) the fact that certain processes (e. g., Natural Selection) only occur in living systems.

Want more of your misguided posts?

 

Mayr said many things. I can post things he said all day. But what you have not posted and cannot post is anything that he said that agrees with you that biology is not a science (you called that idea "idiotic") or that gravity and evolution cannot be compared.

Both those claims are false. When you try to put them in Ernst Mayr's mouth, they become lies.

 

FOLKS IF YOU ARE READING – YOU ARE GOING TO GET A SPECIAL SURPRISE IN THIS POST!!! AS I STATED – WALKED INTO THE LIONS DEN!!! IT’S ALL HERE!!! IN ALL IT’S GLORY – WHY!!! WHY EVOLUTION FAILS!!! AND IT’S SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!

I do understand that it is complicated to understand people who are far more intelligent than you are. That is why I am here to simplify things for those who do not understand. I will draw the line between ignorance and intelligence so EVERYONE can understand…

Okay – in my post earlier I posted this at the end from Mayr. Please read.

The model of the scientific method that is derived from the physical sciences leaves one with the impression that the goal of science is to generate "laws" (e. g., the statements of Newton and Kepler on general and planetary motion, respectively). Laws in this sense are statements of fact that have been demonstrated to fit all known cases. Biologists have occasionally suffered from a desire to emulate the physical sciences by establishing laws (e. g., Ernst Haeckel's Biogenetic Law - "Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny"), but the historical component and intrinsic variability of biological systems make such universal statements impossible. Biological science advances by developing general concepts which are used to guide our approach to particular phenomena.

Here we go -

It states that the scientific method is derived from physical (physics) science. This physical science tries to reach a goal and that goal is a law. Does everyone know who Newton is? If you don’t this is where the Law and Theory of Gravity comes from. See how it states “Newton” in the italics part above? Good! It states “laws in this sense”, which translates to – laws like the ones attached to those individuals, which, in Newton’s case, is gravity, have demonstrated to fit all known cases. Those cases are what is physical science and the scientific method physical science is derived from. Everyone following still? Good! Biology has suffered because it tried to follow the scientific method that is derived from physical science (which is what? Newton&#8230. Thus, variables within biology (biological systems) makes such universal statements (within the context of physical science – scientific method like who? Newton&#8230 IMPOSSIBLE!! Why? Because biology develops general concepts to guide the approach to particular phenomena.

THUS WKA – biology is not a science as most look at it… biological science needs to be changed since it doesn’t fall along the lines of physical science like what? Do you remember? Like “gravity”. Yes! It’s right there. It needs to be redefined or just taken out altogether and just be biology since it doesn’t work with physical science as Mayr states. You don’t know Mayr, nor biology, nor anything that we’ve discussed so far. That is quite clear! To follow science – it is IMPOSSIBLE… did you see that word above? It’s there in bold… IMPOSSIBLE!! If it is “impossible” to work inside a science, but there is a biology, and the study of evolution which is a theory (some say), but it is “impossible, for anything to advance in a science deemed on physical science, is evolution a real thing or do you think that evolution is “impossible” to define within the evidence found for it? Because either you think like me – that biology falls within physical science and thus it’s impossible to provide evidence that it passes the scientific method and will never become OR you believe that biology will never be a science, but, the boundaries that science has does not follow how one must look at phenomena, but evolution is still a theory, but not contained within what “we” consider science? So – you chose WKA… Is evolution (biology) a science – because if it is, it is impossible to define and/or prove evolution, or is biology “not” a science due to phenomena that does not fit within the parameters of what science is?


Welcome to the Lion’s Den:
Oooo – did I just say that? Did I!?!?! HA HA HAAAA HA HAA!!! Now, you all are starting to get it huh? Okay – I cracked the door open a little… Man – this is just funny to me! Ha ha haaaa!!! I am wondering what is going to happen now… the questions – the eyebrows that have lifted… I don’t think half of you reading are dolts, but there are about 80% that are pretty intelligent. Do you know what I just said? Do you know what was JUST posted? I doubt WKA does, because he/she is new, but I will probably be seeing a BUNCH of Peanuts here in a minute (some of them are pretty intelligent) and others… But, that is the truth – that is how I feel, and that is what I was learned a long time ago.

 

i see you just clocked in.

 

Your posts sound like a three-year-old who claims he is a "big boy", or a mentally handicapped patient who professes "I smart" after being placated by his caregivers.

You do not possess the ability to adequately explain anything to anyone.

 

Do you have a life? Do you just sit in front of your computer with a back of puffy cheetos and wait for someone to post to pass the time?

Why are you here? What are you doing? Do you at least BATHE?!?!?! Scub your fangs? Have you EVER left your computer?

I picture you like the following:

http://ktcmmo.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cartman-crap-article_.jpg

 

Ah... Didn't take long did it... A Peanut Gallery Alum... What does the Peanut Gallery post about?

NOTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT!!!

What else did you think a member was going to post? Something significant? HA!!

My dog eats broccoli... We are talking about evolution... Yellow is my favorite food... We are talking about evolution... I like cheese...

Oh - you silly Peanuts!!!

 

im living it

no

on this thread?

Assisting with the evolution of knowledge.

presently? Posting to a government employee that is wasting tax dollars trolling on the internet.

sometimes. I ooosually shower

scub aint a word

but my fangs would be the sword that is ripping your integrity a part.

Yes

no need to picture me.

perhaps use a mirror next to your desk so you can look at yourself; wasting taxpayers funding, sitting at work ranting on a forum, while making a complete fool of yourself with your posting





Its almost your break time; perhaps log off and go get a snack.

I was wondering; what do you do at work besides rant on a forum?

 

You have no clue about anything do you? I said I work for the Gov't... Let me enlighten you a little, make your dim light a littlle brighter so you won't make horrific posts of assumptions.

First- as I stated there is no such beast as a Gov't Clerk (which I told you repeatedly and you seem to have alzheimer's). Secondly, I could be part-time, work from home, a contractor, retired volunteering... But, yes I do work for the Gov't - and that is a truth. I never said to what capacity.

Also, your unemployed obviously... No worries - your mother will feed you and keep you warm - that's what mothers are for! Now, if you don't mind Embassador of the Peanut Gallery - your back on ignore!!!

Buh-bye!!!

 

Let's see how DBM does:

Okay... did you get that? This is supposed to be "from Mayr." Guess what?

It's not.

It is from a web page called "Why is biology different? The web page talks a lot about Mayr. But it never even actually quotes him. So for starters, DBM doesn't even know who his sources are.

Second... the quotation here has nothing to do with DBM's claims. It is a pointless red herring. DBM said (and I quote again):

"GOOD - then you know how idiotic it is to suggest that biology and science are the same thing..."

When called on this stupid assertion, DBM tried to blame Ernst Mayr (of course, at the time he couldn't even remember his name) for the idea. But note that even what he quotes here (which again is not from Ernst Mayr, though DBM doesn't realize it) never says that biology is not science.

As usual, DBM has no idea what the hell even his own sources are saying. or even who is own sources actually are.

 

i be laughing at you

i know and on this forum most every day when you should be working. ie... you represent a waste of government resources; my tax dollars.

please do.

tell me, you no longer work for me!

i didnt say you were a clerk'

Apparently someone else knows you better than I do.

could be, but i bet you are more like a lifer because you cant get a normal job

And now i can see why!!!!!

yes you did post up what your field was but not that you were a 'clerk'. You were mentioning that your office mates were laughing at this forum because you, as you implied, were making such fools of this forum. Something about 'everyone is laughing'.......

but i dont need to focus on what your title is. I just like to point out that while you are suppposed to be working for us americans at your desk you are sitting on this forum, ranting up garbage and when found to be in error based on your ignorance, you whine like a little baby.

You are perhaps obsolete in the work force based on your education and we all can see your adherance to old obsolete data within the sciences is weak too.

Did he put me on ignor, again?

awe, da poor dittle puty tat