Thousands protest Tunisia gender equality proposals

hahaha !!

wait .. were you serious ?

 

Who believes in equality at all? Ignorant people.

 

Women generally don't get paid the same wage per hour as men. I think it's near 70% level for the same job. Wages should be paid according to the job done, not the gender of the worker. Many females are single parents who need that extra money. We need to fix this.

 

Not quite. Women still get paid about 70% of what men earn for the same job. And, the Pro-Life forces in the U.S. are advocating removing ALL rights of the mother to decide on abortion. That decision will also be made by male politicians and/or justices. Where's the "equality" in that?

 

As serious as serious gets. There are many reasons for gender equality to be the law of the land as well as its practice. The main one is that it's the right thing to do. We need to make it happen. . .NOW!!!

 

The world is what we (all together) make it. It's no more ignorant to assume we can make it a more fair, kind, caring world than it is to assume we can make it one where a few select families own all the wealth and control all access to everything around us for their personal gain. It's clear which we've selected to manifest so far, but that doesn't preclude changing it. I speak for making that change. It's literally up to us.

 

YOU made that part up about the "same job". and its 80% of the pay men get when comparing all jobs, not the same jobs.

 

No, that's not true.

A man and a woman who do the same job for the same hours each week with the same experience and education make the same amount of money.

The difference in the wage gap is due to the fact that men often work more high paying, high risk jobs like the oil industry, fishing, and stuff that will get you killed. When you add in the gap that appears from the age of 22 to 35 (where most women have children) into the equation, there is no pay gap.

Men are working more hours, in more dangerous jobs, and not taking time off. That is why as a group they make more.

 

Yes. We need to educate people not to become single parents, not to drop out of school, and don't get involved in crime.

Doing all three guarantees a life of poverty.

 

Whatever the percentage, it's still wrong & needs to be fixed.

 

I don't disagree with your point, but it evades the issue of correcting the living inequalities based on gender ongoing around us.

 

I wish your point was true. There may be examples where it may be true, but not enough to account for the widespread gender income discrepancies.

 

That already happened. On to the next project.

 

It is true.

Most women don't choose to work 80 hours a week for 20 years to get to the top.

Most women don't choose to engage in dangerous, lucrative careers.

Most women choose entirely different professions than men.

Most women choose to have children, and then spend years raising and looking after those children. Each child a woman has can result in a 5-15% loss in income all by itself.

 

While I agree with the outcomes you note in your post, I suspect these "choices" have been forced on women over time by not allowing them into the professions you mention. There's a difference between professions freely deselected by women thru free personal choice, and professions closed to them by male overlords with no consultation or concern for how women felt about it. There's a tendency to hold women responsible for these choices anyway, irrespective of whether those choices were actually in their power to make or not. I find that trend both disrespectful and personally disturbing.

 

Women are not forced to do anything.

Even in the nordic countries the choice to have children has a huge impact on their future earnings, let alone the professions they choose to enter.

 

Huh? All i have to do is post a video that neither of us will watch. Then we are even.

 

Yeah that's what I figured.

 

If that were true, businesses would be hiring mostly women to get the same work done for less money.

 

I don't dispute the point you make about having children and its impact on lifetime earnings. But, how does that help remedy the existing inequities in pay for jobs that are literally the same or equivalent? Plus, there are women who choose career instead of children. What can we do to empower them to be just as successful financially as males who they compete with? This is an ongoing problem that needs resolution.

 

Well, that some of these moslems exist in that part of the world is encouraging for those of us who want to see Islam reform just as Christianity reformed, making it a religion that can interact with the secular world without violence, hatred and murder.

You know, a christian can still believe homosexuality is a sin, without demanding it be illegal and people tossed into prison because something happened when the brain was developing in the womb, that keeps them from being attracted to the opposite sex as obviously Mother Nature intended.

And insuring that men and women are equal under the law is just not only the moral thing to do, but the intelligent thing to do. It took the West a very long time in granting such rights, and the hold outs seem to be Islamic.

There also seems to be this idea in the muslim world, or at least in the middle east and parts of africa, that if a women does not cover up so that nothing shows, she is begging to be raped, and men, not having any self control sexually should not be held accountable for what is the female's fault. ha ha.

I remember how my anthropology Prof, who are generally very liberal people, literally hated with all of his might, middle eastern moslems. It seems that back in the late 50s and early 60s he spent lots of time among middle eastern moslems, in the middle east and it was common behavior for moslem men to rape and sexually assault western female tourists visiting there. On the streets! He saw so much of it that being from a very fine new england family, that it caused him to literally hate moslems. And generally people in this field are very accepting of different cultures and their cultural habits. They might suffer from culture shock but are very accepting of the differences between cultures.

Oh, the prof was not a christian, but an atheist, in case you are wondering. At the time, I knew nothing of Islam, nor of middle eastern culture, and frankly did not believe the Prof. Much later on, with the reports of a woman journalist, western, being molested in Egypt during their change of gov't, I discovered Prof. Pines was telling us the truth. And given the era that he was in the middle east, it became clear that nothing had changed over the decades in regards to these middle eastern moslems. So that is their culture, based much upon islam itself.

 

First of all, it's illegal to pay people less based on their biology.

There is no inequality in pay when everything is the same, again, by law.

There is no wage gap, there is an earnings gap. This gap is caused by men working more hours, in more dangerous jobs, in fields that are more demanding that pay more.

The question really is: why do you want to force women to make choices they're not making on their own?

Why is it important that women compete to become oil rig roughnecks to make more money?

Maybe that's why women are unhappier in 2018 than they've ever been.

 

Unfortunately, it IS true. Perhaps companies hire males in spite of the higher wages because they feel males are more culturally acceptable as employees.

 

I just went onto Google and read that there is a wage gap still. Comparing full time workers nationwide, there's still approximately a 20% gap in wages paid to males vs females. This is per annum. Yes, there are equal pay laws, but evidently, they're not being enforced, for the problem is national in scope, and still exists. I'm not as concerned about gaps for the CEOs and such. I'm concerned for those on the bottom rungs of the pay scale, where a few dollar per hour can make a great difference. We've passe the laws, now we need to enforce them.

 

So you believe that businesses can get the same work while paying less, but profit is just not important to business owners???