Three separate shootings in UK in last week

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  1. flogger

    flogger Well-Known Member

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    How does limiting your arsenal to one gun infringe your 18th century muzzle loading musket armed miltia ? Even one handgun today massively trumps this facility

    BTW where is this 'well trained' miltia today and who is it they are being 'well trained' against ?
     
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    flogger Well-Known Member

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    We have gone much further and as a result I'm over 50 times less likely to be shot than you are
     
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    Have you limited your arsenal to one Gun ?
    If not, perhaps you should.
     
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    I prefer my odds, I have survived every shooting so far.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    because intelligent and honest people understand the federal government doesn't have such power and the purpose was a balance of power. if cops and criminals have automatic weapons so should the citizens. They might need them to kill those who seek to disarm them.
     
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    Ah - you are ignorant of US jurisprudence. No surprise.

    The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment . The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.
    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER (No. 07-290)
    478 F. 3d 370, affirmed.

    There. No you know better.
     
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    In exactly the same way as limiting you to one abortion, one spouse, one trip to church and one trip to the ballot box.
     
  8. flogger

    flogger Well-Known Member

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    A simple no I cannot explain why I'm so obsessed with potentially killing my fellow man is too difficult for you then ?
     
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    flogger Well-Known Member

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    A simple 'no' would have sufficed

    Your guns are clearly all :(
     
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    flogger Well-Known Member

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    Good luck with that then. The odds are not on your side and I don't believe for a moment you have done anything of the sort
     
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    the obsession seems to be concerning our rights. none of us are obsessed with potentially killing scum bags who might need killing which is a far more accurate view or killing those who would forcefully try to take our rights away.
     
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    Sorry but in my society we feel no need to gratuiously kill one another right or wrong as some kind of badge of honour. Thats nothing to do with rights but everything to do with health and safety and looking at our relative gun fatalities theres no doubt which society has got it right
     
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    we don't either. you confuse the vast majority of Americans with criminals . we do like the idea that if we were to be subject to an invasion, citizens could play a major role in killing those invaders while Brits would have to do what they did 78 years ago-beg Americans to send them firearms to meet the threat of a nazi invasion
     
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    At least we can be trusted with kitchen utensils.
     
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    The people you're bringing in do. Reference your double digit increases in violent crime.
     
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    Get back to me about violent crime when your homicide rate is less than 4 times ours
     
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    When in crisis quote WW2. I seem to remember a little event called the Battle of Britain however
     
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    Ah. You choose to remain ignorant.
     
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    As I've explained to you before, your homicide rate is much higher than you think.

    If your homicide rate was computed in the same way ours is, that is.

    Homicide in the US is limited to certain violent groups and largely driven by gangs and the drug trade, as you're going to be finding out. It's already taken hold in London and it's going to spread out from there.

    Our country has a porous border north of the most violent countries on earth, and those people enter the US illegally over that border by the thousands per day and have been for decades.

    Your homicide rate now, as computed, is higher than it's been in at least 100 years so you clearly can't attribute that to gun control laws having any effectiveness.

    Your country was safe for a long time because a) its tiny and easy to police b) it's an island and c) it was surrounded by safe countries

    Your countries foolish plan allowing violent people from violent cultures practicing a violent form of their religion to immigrate has and will reverse that.

    Your crime is going to grow by leaps and bounds now.
     
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    that's irrelevant. sadly, Britain lost most of the brave men in that generation. The gene pool seems to have been incredibly diminished
     
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    I have often thought about this. The entire history of the 20th Century was one of war and conflict; and the best and the brightest of mankind - those who understood honor, integrity, and self-sacrifice - were lost in huge numbers on the battlefields of the world.

    The survivors? Mostly those disqualified from military service due to physical infirmities or mental defects. Now we have entire generations of people being born to those who tend to disdain the very qualities that mark the best of humanity.

    Is it any wonder that there are so many people now rising to power who believe in taking freedom away from the people and advocating for a nanny state system where everyone is "taken care of", and things like "honor" and "integrity" are seen as quaint anachronisms??
     
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    This may have some traction in Europe, but not so much here.
     
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    BS your homicide rate is far higher than any other developed country and its your easy access to guns thats the cause

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    Actually British fatalities in WW2 were less than half of those in WW1
     

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