Three things history teaches us

You are making assumptions about "my" sources.

It seems clear, that all this endless paranoia about "turning socialist" and how you best hang on to your guns is a right wing thing, propaganda from crazy right wing sources.

 

No- they are not. What you throw in the basket labeled "socialist" matters greatly. It's a little like pregnancy where "a little bit pregnant" is a deception pretending the end condition is not certain.
Socialism is defined pretty clearly- and "a little bit of it" is always followed by demands for more- more free things. less responsibility- and weak people sell their souls and freedom to get it. Once they become dependent on the government, they are screwed- and take everyone else down too.

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ noun
socialism

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
   communism, Bolshevism;
   radicalism, militancy;
   progressivism, social democracy;
   laborism;
   Marxism, Leninism, Marxism–Leninism, neo-Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism
   antonyms: conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism; More
     communism, Bolshevism;
     radicalism, militancy;
     progressivism, social democracy;
     laborism;
     Marxism, Leninism, Marxism–Leninism, neo-Marxism, Trotskyism, Maoism
     antonyms: conservatism
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

None of the "examples of socialist countries" you see touted here have governments running the busineses. Russia did that- and collapsed. Other nations that have embraced actual socialism either collapse or become dictatorships.

 

And you are entitled to that. The internet is a collective of people. Not just wise people or stupid people or gullible people- but all people. The wise person takes that into account; he is skeptical about all claims until they are researched and proven- but he also learns that things he may currently believe are not accurate, and learn in the process. In that fashion, the internet is a vast source of information- without any filters. That part is up to you.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econo...ural_deficit,_public_works_and_social_welfare
By 1925, the Fascist government had "embarked upon an elaborate program" that included food supplementary assistance, infant care, maternity assistance, general healthcare, wage supplements, paid vacations, unemployment benefits, illness insurance, occupational disease insurance, general family assistance, public housing and old age and disability insurance.[24] As for public works, the Mussolini's administration "devoted 400 million lire of public monies" for school construction between 1922 and 1942, compared to only 60 million lire between 1862 and 1922 -

so what's the diff?

 

Yeah, that's why when I see sh*t on a site like this, I often look it up to get the other side of the coin....

I'd say at this point, that when it comes to stuff presented by the right wing, usually from goofy sites like The Gateway Pundit, it's generally either a complete lie or a misleading load of bull.

And in general, this paranoia about Marxist commies and the gubment taking away all yer guns falls into that category.

 

All the people in the asylum know full well that only they are sane and the rest of the world is bonkers.
Funny, I have been seeing space-case proposals from one lefty after another for months now, but can't seem to find any right wing proposals to capture cow farts, rebuild the world in 12 years to save us from certain death, let all the immigrants in the world come in without notice or concern; condemn all white males for various reasons- you know, **** like that. You got anything from the right you want to compare to those things?

 

"I'd say at this point, that when it comes to stuff presented by the right wing, usually from goofy sites like The Gateway Pundit, it's generally either a complete lie or a misleading load of bull."

But if you don't see a lot more BS on the left-wing side, you just aren't looking. The manure pile being built there is beyond belief.

 

If history teaches us anything it is that YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID...

 

Like what? The Mueller "witch hunt"?

Sorry, but that's more right wing misleading bull.

 

Thanks....you are making the case for me with all that.

 

Sorry my ass, you know better.
Just keep watching the story. If you can't see it yet ( and that would be really, really difficult) as the investigations into the scheme unravel the truth, a lot of people are going to look awfully dirty. One would think that all it would take is to read the emails between Strozok and Page to know that the fix was in. If you could read that crap and still not smell the rats, you must be nose-blind from living with rats.

 

So.... you can't find anything comparable coming from the left. Come back when you actually have something tangible.

 

You keep making the case for me.

 

Po-tah-to, Po-tay-to....commies, socialists.....same, same.

 

Because you have nothing, you think "your case" is being supported?
It's not polite to laugh in your face, but you have no case- apparently not even the ability to know you have no case.

Invited you to make one. IF you can actually find something that vaguely supports your claims.

 

Look, this thread supports my case.

And your "examples" support my case.

Obviously, you see it your way.

What can be done?

I don't know.

This thread is goofy...it's one of many...tomorrow there will be another about commies under your bed and how you better hang on to your guns.

It's bizarre. It'd be funny if people didn't really believe all this wacky stuff and spread it constantly, including the President Of The United States.

 

When government owned the means of private production.

 

Could you be more specific?

 

Private enterprise does not exist. All necessary activities to sustain society are owned and controlled by the government.

Employees and citizens remain free to seek employment, make a wage, and freely spend dollars in government owed enterprises.

 

True socialism, communism or capitalism have never existed in a real life government - they are all just classroom exercises.

 

I'll agree with this.

I'll also point out that nearly all countries that came close to unfettered socialism or communism failed.

 

So if that is what socialism is then why are there people who claim the Dems want to turn the US into a socialist country? I have yet to hear anyone pushing for private enterprise to not exist and have all necessary activities to sustain society owned and controlled by the government.
So I guess we can put that talking point to bed, eh?

 

Why do you imagine that everyone who disagrees with you is a Bernie supporter? Venezuela is an exercise in corruption - it was when it was more capitalistic under Perez as well.

 

Given that the US Debt is nearly $24 trillion dollars, I'm not sure that capitalism is the answer either. It's entirely possible that none of our current forms of government have it figured out.

 

There is no such thing as a full on socialist nation - and you are confusing socialism with totalitarianism communism and generalizing on top of that.

One thing that History has taught us is that extreme socialist systems - such as totalitarian communism - and extreme capitalist systems - both meet at the far end of the spectrum - in both cases you have a few elite owning most resources and means of production.