Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Just more nonsense. You have the misfortune to be engaged here with someone who has traveled in those countries. I'm sure some older people have had discomfort adjusting; the younger people not at all. In general, your narrative is not credible.
     
  2. Thingamabob

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    True. Dubček was pushed out by the Sovjet Union and Gorbatjov was pushed out by the US.
     
  3. Tofiks

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    True expert also in the questions of Eastern Europe? You are an expert in the all questions in the world? :D
     
  4. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is most certainly your problem for not understanding knowledge and wisdom. Everything goes over your head.
     
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    Gorbachev blundered his state out of existence and he was pushed aside by Yeltsin.
     
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    Ben't able to stick together 2 words to argue your statements is knowledge and wisdom in clown world? :D
     
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    That's not a misfortune. It is always a hoot to meet people who see but don't understand.
     
  8. Jack Hays

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    As you wish.:roll:
     
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    And I can list the ones installed by the USSR & it Communist allies with the mountain of corpses that entailed...but that would help you with your diversion. What you DO NOT want to talk about is the way that you just handwaved away the fates of tens of millions of people subject to Russian installed dictatorships in Eastern Europe & the fate of any government among those nations that failed to obey Moscow. You just glibly claim that the Warsaw pact was so good nobody wanted to leave, as if those nations had a choice. At the same time you straight out invent a claim that America won't let anyone leave NATO.

    Two pernicious fantasies for the price of one.
     
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    Your reply amounts to this, the last comment at the end:

    You: "You are nasty because you did ..... "
    Me: "You are guilty of the same so maybe you shouldn't criticize."
    You (this comment of yours now): "Yeah well, you are guilty too."

    :bored: :bored: :bored: :bored: :bored:
     
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    My original comment was a response to you making a speculative claim about NATO - a pure assertion on your part. Then you doubled down by making a claim of fact about the Warsaw Pact that was straight out false AND betrayed your contempt for people repressed by the USSR/Russia & its allies. Pretending that the USSR didn't enforce its control of Eastern Europe with the direct threat of military force - and that is what you did - is as misleading a claim as can be made.

    Trying to make this about me or anything other than your claims is just an attempt to distract from what you said and what that says about your perspective.
     
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    The comment in post #2335 made IS about you (well, your logic) ... unless you'd like to distance yourself from your own words? Read the 3-point dialogue in post #2335. Is that really how you want to present your view?
     
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    Another post where you don't want to talk about your own claims. Hardly surprising given their nature. Ready to walk back those comments about the Warsaw Pact, or are you just going ta pretend you didn't?

    As for the 'substance' of your post, insisting someone else acknowledge your fantasy version of what they said is a bit like insisting someone else use contraception while you....pleasure yourself.
     
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    It's irrelevant to the subject of your logic.
     
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    Really? Let's check it out!

    Putin is an *******
    as*hole
     
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    I want to tell you right away: I am not on the staff of the KGB (especially since there has been no KGB in Russia for a long time, but there is the FSB). Your CIA, if desired, could find my data and find out if I am the right person or some kind of agent.
     
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    Dude, do you want a nuclear strike? At this forum, many say that Russian nuclear weapons have fallen into disrepair. They also claimed that there were empty shelves in stores in Russia, until I photographed full shelves in stores. Only this convinced them.

    How to convince that Russian nuclear weapons are not rusty? Send an atomic bomb?
     
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    Very brave move to write this as anonymous in some non-Russian forum. Try to write this on a poster and go out with it in Your town's square, let's see how it will end. :D
     
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    Firstly: if you think that Russia has such a totalitarian state, and the FSB is so omnipotent, then they will find my message on the American forum. Don't you think so?

    Secondly: I have written many times critical messages of Putin and on Russian forums since the 2000s, and as you can see, I am still not in prison.

    Thirdly: I spoke at demonstrations back in the days of the State Emergency Committee. So do you really think that now I would have chickened out?

    Fourthly: I am not going to make a poster against Putin now, because I believe that he is doing absolutely the right thing in relation to Ukraine. I can explain why. Ukrainians claim that the Russians have always tried to destroy them. That's a lie!
     
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    Do you seriously think that I want to walk in formation? And in the morning to shout "glory (to Putin, Kim Er-sung)?

    Do you really think I'm a mazhist?
     
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    Okay. Now, why is this important?
     
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    They will be moving too fast to require refuge.
     
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    Sure, if they think getting their azzes shot off is the better option then who am I to advise them? I don't support them, anyway.
     

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