To all you AGW alarmists out there, read this.

I don't want you to believe anything. But why you want to ignore all of the scientific evidence is beyond me.

 

Yes. That is correct. Bit hard to understand how they may me responsible for the global conspiracy theory you try to attribute to them

No. No one ever said they did monitor or do experiments with regards to the atmosphere.

No. They don't publish scientific papers either. They collate them.

You will find it in the most recent Assessment Report of the IPCC - where they have collated all of the current scientific research relating to the subject.

If you don't think it is true - perhaps you could show us the published research that supports your opinion?

Which natural cycle would this be?

Could you tell us?

 

We have had CO2 concentrations that run into the 1000's ppm.

We are still here and the Earth is going through its cycles.

 

The facts are,

1. CO2 concentrations in our atmosphere at present are 0.039% in total.
2. Manmade CO2 is 3% of 0.039 = 0.00117
3. 97% of CO2 is natural from the Earth itself.

4. The is no real eveidence that CO2 is the cause of any of the weather that we have been having, where is it?

5. all we have are a few papers written by some phd guru in india and he even admits that the IPCC has misued he's sceintific paper.

6. Al Gore went from vice president to climate change crusader, why to make a buck i bet.

Show me the eveidence bugs that CO2 causes global warming i want to see it.

 

By the way bugs you've also been pointing out that an ETS to stop acid rain in the US was successful and you keep reffering to it.

Making out that as though the market based ETS seemed to have worked in that case.

Well as the video on the previous pages reports the acid rain was reduced significantly because,

1. Coal with a low sulphur content was introduced to the plant.
2. Scrubbers were introduced to the plant.

It wasn't becuase of the market based ETS cr@p but rather from direct physical action.

And btw bugs that ETS didn't have credits like the CO2 carbon credits that companies will be purchasing to make it look in theory that they have become cleaner when in fact they will be polluting more.

HTF can you support such a system if you are genuine about cleaning up the Earth?

 

Who is "We"? because I hate to tell you old thing but I am not THAT old!!!

Now let us compare YOUR chart with a chart showing extinction events

 

Yes. That is a fact.

Yes. That is a fact.

Yes. That is a fact.

Yes. That is a fact.

However, there is an enormous amount of evidence that the increase in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 is having a significant impact on our climate.

No sure what you are on about here. You may have a few papers written by some phd guru in india. Good on you.

But AGW is a theory that has existed for over a century and there is a vast amount of scientific literature supporting it. There is virtually no scientific literature doubting that it is actually occurring.

Yes - And Angry Anderson once sang on Neighbours. Is this of any relevance?

I am fairly certain I have already shown you numerous times.


Basically - it boils down to:
1. We know how "greenhouse gasses" impact upon the planet's temperature
2. We know CO2 (and NH4 etc) are "greenhouse gasses".
3. We know that the atmospheric concentration of CO2 has increased significantly over recent decades
4. We know from isotropic analysis that most of this increase is due to anthropogenic emissions
5. We know that the amount of downward radiation re-emitted to the earth's surface has been increasing
6. We know that the amount of outgoing longwave radiation has been decreasing in exactly the same wavelength bands that are absorbed by CO2
7. We know that the temperature of the statosphere is decreasing.

And on top of this is all of the related emprical evidence that shows us that the earths is indeed warming - surface temperatures, ocean temperatures, glacial mass balance decrease, arctic sea ice decrease etc etc etc.

All of these are well documented and uncontroversial results. I can provide links as evidence for all of them if you are really interested.

But I am sure you have already been shown similar evidence. You prefer to ignore it and instead post videos by mad conspiracy theorists. It is good to have a hobby I suppose.

 

No. I have been pointing out that an ETS in the US was successful in reducing acid rain.

Why are you unable to comprehend what is written?

Yes. That is correct. A "market based" ETS (is there any other type?) seemed to have worked in that case.

Go to the head of the class!!!!

You are absolutely %100 correct!!!!

The acid rain was reduced significantly because,

1. Coal with a low sulphur content was introduced to the plant.
2. Scrubbers were introduced to the plant.


Now - here is the hard bit for you - why do you think that these modifications were made?
Can you work it out yourself? Or do you need me to help you?

Do you have any idea whatsoever what you are saying?

errr...no. If you actually read about what the Clean Air Act is - you will find that that is exactly how it worked.

An early example of an emission trading system has been the SO2 trading system under the framework of the Acid Rain Program of the 1990 Clean Air Act in the U.S. Under the program, which is essentially a cap-and-trade emissions trading system, SO2 emissions were reduced by 50% from 1980 levels by 2007.[95] Some experts argue that the cap-and-trade system of SO2 emissions reduction has reduced the cost of controlling acid rain by as much as 80% versus source-by-source reduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading#United_States

I don't believe I have ever supported such a system. I would prefer a carbon tax. That is what I would support.

In the absence of a carbon tax however - the ETS is better than nothing.

 

What has AGW got to do with extinction rates?

How about you look up deforrestation for extinction rates.

You guys believe anything when it comes to AGW.

Well then here's a secrect i'm getting hairrier now with global warming caused by AGW.

 

You were the one who stated

And then you posted a picture that showed the climate changes over the entire phanerozoic era - so, either you consider that AGW spans that entire time period or.................

 

Well then maybe you could tell me just how much CO2 was in the Earth's atmosphere when it first formed and was covered in lava and volcanos.

OR

How much CO2 was released when the asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

AND

What about all the other catastrophies like comets hitting the Earth and valcanos blowing their tops.

Your arguement is pointless, because all those charts including mine are estimates only and noone knows for sure why or how extinxtions happened and how much CO2 was in the atmosphere at the time.

Anyway Co2 stimulates plant growth for the vegetarians so the carnivores can ome along and devour them.

 

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You like other people to do your homework for you don't you? Are you only talking about the atmosphere in the Phanerozoic era or way back to the Archean? Are you aware of the "young sun paradox"?

Not that you will look at this but
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Earths-five-mass-extinction-events.html

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...y-global-warming-leading-expert-says-yes.html

 

The science that Co2 is responsible for mass extinctions due to adverse weather changes and effetcs is RUBBISH, CO2 was is and will be forever a trace gas.

After every catastrophic event the Earth has always found her balance again, the chart i showed claims that once upon a time there was 5000ppm of Co2 in our atmosphere, why didn't the Earth's greenhouse effect runaway then and now at 390 ppm is set to detroy us, malarkey at best.

Its no better than the science of we think their are two planets orbiting this sun which is millions of miles away, why do we think there are only two planets because of the way this sun is wobling, we cant see jack sh!t but this is what we think is happening.

Climate change is real i agree but climate change has been with us from day dot and just didn't suddenly appear on the radar because some greedy moguels thought of a new game on the exchange.

 

Not saying a thing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

Funny that none of the world's scientists are as smart as you are.
Why don't you publish your results? You would make a fortune!

 

Well then you gullible and naive fools go on believing the lies of the IPCC.

And supporting a carbon tax/ETS again is doomed to failure when you rely on farming carbon credits and derivatives of the stock exchange to clean up our pollution.

In the mean time you will be paying for this through the arse with no lubrication mind you so enjoy.

http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/global/climate4.htm