To my Christian brothers and sisters....

I am curious, is there a way we can talk about Jesus (peace be upon him) in a meaningful and beneficial way?

What I mean is, would it be possible for us to discuss our opinions of Jesus (peace be upon him) on this forum without the usual insults to each others religions?

I think it would be a very interesting topic to discuss with Christians, as a Muslim, because the views of Jesus (peace be upon him) in Islam and Christianity are quite similar yet quite different.

So this is an invitation to my fellow Christians to have a constructive discussion about the one we both claim to love, Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), in a mutually respectful way.

 

My understanding of the Muslim religion is they believe that Jesus wasn't really crucified, didn't really die for our sins, and wasn't the Son of God. Which means, the Apostles lied about him when they taught all these things were true.

I don't see how we can come to a mutual understand about Jesus when our beliefs on who he was and what he did are worlds apart.

But to each his own.

I have no problem with Muslims who mind their own businesss and don't stir up trouble.

The problem is that there are so many Muslims who are NOT minding their own business and ARE stirring up trouble.

Like, for example, the government of Egypt demanding that the United States pass anti-blasphemy laws to punish people who insult Mohammed or the Islam religion.

That is not even open for negotiations. We are not going to do that. For Egypt to ask for such a thing is astounding.

 

I don't expect us to come to a mutual understanding, we must both wait for Jesus (pbuh) to return before that happens.

That said, beside his role in both religions, the views are not that far apart, especially with what he did. Which is why I'm proposing this. It's not a "Who's Jesus is better" debate. Well, it's not meant to be at least.

What I was asking for is just a discussion about Jesus (pbuh) in a mutually respectful way. I know respect is a rarity on this forum, especially in the Religion forum, but is it possible for Muslims and Christians to do it in such an environment?

I end off with this...

[29:46] And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

As for the part about Egypt, that has nothing to do with either view of Jesus (pbuh). That deserves it's own thread.

 

The discussion is possible, but perhaps not in this forum. Too many see any discussion of the issue as a chance to grind an axe ...

 

That is true. Any discussion among the religious soon gets spoiled by the atheists who barge in to talk about unicorns, fairies, and the "flying spaghetti monster."

There should be a separate forum to discuss religion where atheists aren't allowed, but that's not going to happen I guess.

 

Sad, yet very true.

You make an interesting point, if Atheism isn't a religion perhaps there should be a separate section for Atheism? That won't stop them from posting here, but it should help the threads about the respective beliefs not be highjacked as frequently.

But you would be willing to do it?

Personally I think this is something we need more religious leaders doing, talking, discussing. We do not have to agree completely to find some common ground between our faiths. What better way than by talking about the Messiah of both faiths?

 

I'll take a stab at it.

I would like to know what significance Jesus has in Islam. What teachings of his are important in Islam and what was his purpose and/or accomlishments?

As for atheists ridiculing us all, I could care less. Let'em come.

 

from what I understand Muslims do believe in Jesus, just differently

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10.htm

it's interesting how the the story evolved slightly different for each religion

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My peaceful friend....We humans are of one and yet many. Tolerance and good nature are to be exalted throughout the land and lo across the Earth. Jesus is a name-only to some and as much as God to others. Common human decency reflects a higher level of intelligence and a willingness to accept the fact that others may not agree but have a RIGHT to practice their beliefs as long as they don't abridge the rights of OTHERS to practice possibly opposite beliefs.

 

form a group on hear dedicated to this with private chat ban people that act insulting sorry im not who you’re asking but i think it’s your best shot

 

Jesus believed in free-will and an attitude of love---even to those who offend us and what is important to us. The good fight is against those who would ban free-will and who show murderous hatred.

 

A slight aside.
I commonly hear the more extreme right moaning about Muslims praying to Allah.
"Allah" is simply Arabic for "God", the same God.

Basically, Muslims and Christians are about the same with differences in the way they pray to the same God.

 

Muslims don't believe in the Holy Trinity. Christians do. That is an unbridgeable gap.

 

I am curious as to why Jesus, who was just a prophet in the eyes of Islam, is not on the same pedestal of greatness as Mohammad, who was just a prophet in the eyes of Islam.

They are both just prophets, equals, yet one is treated like a god in Islam.

 

Imo Muslims believe that Mohammed was the final and greatest prophet because the revelations given to him led to perfection of religious faith.

 

Jesus may be on an even higher pedestal than Mohamed. Jesus is considered to be a prophet who came before Mohamed.
Jesus is to return to earth and to sit on the right hand of God.
The reason why Muslims are so adamant about pictures which portray any prophet- not just Mohamed- is that he most definitely is not suppose to be treated like a god.
Islam does not endorse the concept of original sin, thus there is no reason for Jesus as the saviour.

 

Yeshuah has been revised, rewritten and reinvented by the Church over a couple of thousand years. The Church did more of a makeover on Him than Michael Jackson did on himself. I don't think it's possible to discuss the mythical Jesus who has been created by the Church. I'm starting to think that Jesus is a bit like Karl Marx. Not that long before his death Marx wrote in a letter to his son in law, discussing his followers, that, after looking at what was being done in his name, he declared, "I am not a Marxist". Were Yeshuah alive today to see the Jesus Industry I think he may have said, "I am not a Christian". Even the world "Christ" would not have been known to the Aramaic-speaking Yeshuah. I have no doubt that if a Muslim suggested that Jesus had been invented that it would be greeted with horror, disdain and quite a few nasty words. But I think that a Muslim, even a 21st Century Muslim, particularly a Muslim from the Middle East, might understand Yeshuah more than a 21st Century Western Christian who has been brought up the heavily revised version Jesus 2012 model.

 

What is it you want to discuss exactly? As we've seen in this thread, there are certain things about Christ that Christians are not willing to discuss, but I'm sure there are others with less of a problem.

The parts of Jesus that Muslims and Christians agree on are, as we have seen, so diverse that other world views might have relevant input too. I agree with Jesus on quite a few points too, and considering Islam's notion that the Bible has been modified, I seem to be closer to Islam's understanding than Christians are.

 

This is a good question. Where were all the Muslim protests when Mel Gibson put out The Passion of Christ? Wasn't that depiction of a prophet offensive to them? Didn't that movie convey the message that Jesus was in fact a deity (i.e., God)? Wouldn't that be even more offensive to Muslims?

 

The problem of the Islam is not Jesus - our Messiah, the savior of the world - the problem of the Islam is Mohammed - the violent "paraklet" who is blocking the way of the Muslims to the holy spirit and the unity in god. We are today living in a world where atheists are dominating the Okzident and the Orient. The western atheism is well known - but you can see atheism for example also in the violent ways of the most extreme Islamists. While using continously the word "god" or "allah" they don't trust in the same time in the allmighty god. They like to feel "hurted" while they are murdering their sisters and brothers.

"To discuss" and "insult" are often the same words. When I said "Mohammed is the problem of the Islam" then this sentence is perhaps hurting someone but indeed words are hurting no one.

The messages of Christ are clear. I would not know what to discuss about the son of god. He's the light enlightening the world. I fear without him the darkness of the world would be very painful.

http://youtu.be/UuLVhWbDfTg

 

Islamic belief about Jesus comes 600 years after Jesus. Like the recent Coptic script that claims Jesus was married, much can be "believed" long after.

What is core to both Christianity and Islam is belief. Both do one thing, they teach you how to live your life in a moral and ethical way and that is much more important than believing Jesus was x or y.

 

Egypt is a little strange. In the 70s an idiot here (a Muslim in Germany) asked a judge in Egypt what to do with the children of a christian mother and a Muslim in Germany if they are grown up. The judgement was: If the children become 18 years someone has to ask them wether they like to be Muslims or not. If not then someone has to kill the children immediatelly. No one cared about, but if we see the problems today in the world, then perhaps it was wrong not to care about.

http://youtu.be/xRobryliBLQ

 

The problem with Jesus is that he actually said very little about anything. I'll bet most people would be hard pressed to recite more than a handful of things that Jesus actually said about how one should live their lives without referring to the Bible.

The Mohammed character was similar to the Moses character. Page after page of rules covering even the smallest part of one's life. And ample passages about eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation for violating any of them.

 

God is not using many words. But even this few words you are not able to hear ... although his fathers words are everything all around you. ... hmmm ...

http://youtu.be/1Hxk4_ytFz8

 

All of the Prophets in Islam are equal.

We only believe that Muhammad (pbuh) was the final Prophet. But we believe he is only a messenger, and this is repeated countless times in the Quran. Muhammad (pbuh) is not God.

While Muhammad (pbuh) is the Seal of the Prophets, Jesus (pbuh) is the Messiah. We believe, like Christians, that Jesus (pbuh) will return and that the anti-Christ - called al-Dajjal - will be killed by Jesus (pbuh) and al-Mahdi.

Neither treated is a God in Islam, only God is treated as a God. They were messengers, Prophets, warners, even called servants.