To my fellow business owners, we now must scramble

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    what do you mean by that?

    your answer isn't rational

    pigs stands four portugul, italy, greece and spain, right

    do you really think nobody wants the things these countries have?
     
  2. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look out tough, some States do not consider some workers contractors if they (for instance) receive a certain amount of training, use company equipment, work 'in-house' etc.
     
  3. gophangover

    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    Before Shrub gave welfare to millionaires, the government had a $300 billion annual surplus. Since Shrub gave that tax cut to millionaires, $10 trillion has been added to the national debt, and all that $10 trillion has gone to the rich. $3 trillion for the millionaire tax cut, $4 trillion to Halliburton and the defense contractors for the Iraq war, and $3 trillion to Wall street, Wall Street bankers and auto makers during the economic collapse and bail outs. CEO salaries have gone up 600%, while middle class wages have gone down so much that the middle class has gotten smaller, and those in poverty has grown to over 50 million. The rich are the takers. There are NO poor in congress, they're all rich.
     
  4. Dan40

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    Is your entire life completely devoid of a single fact? do you exist on pure liberal propaganda drivel?

    There was NO $300 billion surplus EVER! The maximum was $236 billion and do you know WHY? Because the Republican Party controlled both houses of congress, LOOK IT UP, And Bill Clinton was 1000 times the president this incompetent (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) is. AND the surplus Bush received was $128.2 billion. And Bush's SPENDING was $$1.863 trillion, compared to Clinton's $1.789 trillion the year before. An increase in spending of 4.13% Which libelal lying idiots accuse him of going on a spending spree.

    Then in FY 2002 the spending was $2.011 trillion. An increase of 7.9% after 9-11 happened. And we had a deficit of $157.8 billion because REVENUE dropped from $2025.2 in FY 2000 to $1.991 in FY 2001,
    to $1.853 trillion in FY 2002 DUE to the RECESSION Clinton let for Bush. you use that EXCUSE for barrack usama the ignorant, but disallowed it for Bush.

    Numbers are from:

    http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com

    and this was BEFORE any Bush tax cuts. WITH the Bush tax cuts REVENUE climbed to $2.568 trillion in FY 2007. The ALL TIME RECORD highest revenue this country ever had.

    FACTS not propaganda, live a life of truth and accuracy insteand of one of a misinformed SHEEP.
     
  5. Dan40

    Dan40 New Member

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    Is this the kind of protective tarriffs you mean?

    US Steel

    By 1900 the US was the largest producer and also the lowest cost producer, and demand for steel seemed inexhaustible. Output had tripled since 1890, but customers, not producers, mostly benefitted. Productivity-enhancing technology encouraged faster and faster rates of investment in new plants.

    After 1970 the company could no longer compete effectively with low-wage producers elsewhere. Imports and mini-mills undercut its sales - see also steel crisis. It went into oil then was spun off in 2001. Finally US Steel reemerged in 2002 with plants in three American locations (plus one in Slovakia) that employed fewer than one-tenth the 168,000 workers of 1902.

    We also had laws to protect the US textile industry. Its gone.

    We also STILL have laws to protect the US ocean freight industry, The US shipbuilding industry, and the US sea passenger ship business. They are all gone.

    Protection by the government means certain DEATH to an industry.
     
  6. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree the Govt should should provide healthcare.
     
  7. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Before healthcare shouldnt they provide, food, water, and shelter for every citizen first?
     
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    What's interesting is that you cut off the next sentence from the paragraph that you quoted. --> "However during recessions, demand fell sharply taking down output, prices, and profits."

    So the wiki article blames recessions on the lack of demand, which took down output, prices, and profits............not some government intervention, i.e. Tariffs.
     
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    SNAP and section 8.
     
  10. Dan40

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    Food stamps, section 8 housing, welfare credik cards, and cell phones. Healthcare was one of the few things left. Next is cars, electric, of course. And surely, there must be some kind of clothing program involving Tommy Hilfiger. I know, don't call you Shirley!
     
  11. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The idea, of course, is to get the middle class on the dole then there is a lock for democrats for all future elections. Of course the economy will tank and the nation will default but hey, it is worth it as long as democrats are in charge.
     
  12. NoPartyAffiliation

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    A few observations.
    I have had no indication from our plan that premiums will suddenly jump. On what do you base this?
    I already provide health insurance and as far as I know, won't be impacted at all. Is there something you know I don't? I do not claim to be an expert as so many on the internet do.
    Cutting hours? Good way to lose your best employees. Of course, if you don't care (maybe you have manual laborers?), then it's not an issue. But why hurt the good ones?
    I can't (and wouldn't anyway) convert my employees to 1099ers as i require them to be in the office at a certain time. Remember, if you control their time, efforts or ability to work with your competitors, you're liable for serious fines.
    So what is this penalty from the fed govt? Honestly, I'm not seeing it but am open to hearing what you have to say.
     

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