Top US Commander: Iran sanctions failed, Iran enriching beyond any peaceful purposes

At this stage, I agree.

yes, they refuse to acknowledge what everyone else seems to regard as common knowledge.

They are held to a different standard because its after the fact.
Closing the barn door after all the horses out out doesn't accomplish anything except ensuring the horses can't come back.

So they are a nuclear nation. Would you do the same to Pakistan? now there's an unstable country with Islamists all over the place and they got nukes. would you put bloody boots on the ground there?

Its a concept of preventing proliferation, not disarming those who already have it.

No, but I do strongly object to advocating action based on opinion and not fact. Its your opinion its terrorist propaganda. Prove it in court, demonstrate the laws that have been broken, and THEN sentence them.

I realize that isn't quite as efficient as some regime's would have it, but despite your political persuasion, you and most of us live in democratic societies with legal safeguards against precisely what you are advocating.

 

Pakistan are a worry too, but much less so, but certainly, they are way too volatile to have nukes.

I would sooner a nuclear Iran than them, if I had to choose, 100%.

Notwithstanding, whatever they have is probably not v good, their codes are probably known, and I highly doubt they would have the means to reach v far.

Israel still must be held accountable, you simply cannot claim a sense of fairness on any level, if there is SILENCE there, while their shiils bang the war drum for Iran.

It is morally bankrupt, wrong, and I actually do not care if Israeli's were Martians, and Iranians were from the Moon originally, it IS wrong.

It must stop.

If it is not stopped, they are going to destroy everything, in the end.

 

you understand farsi? No doubt the guy is accomplished. He did make it to president.

and again you make these wild accusations without evidence. Obama doesn't care about his country and his people? That just rightwing delegitiimizing propaganda.

Using your logic we should start arresting all those that propagate the philosophy of fascism and racism and hatred of others. Or maybe those that spread this equality propaganda all over the place. Personally I'd start with all those spouting religious propaganda........hey this could be fun....

 

Okay, well the alternative to that is to say all murder, genocide, infanticide, theft, rape, and abuse is really just a matter of opinion, and that as long as the murdering, the genocide, the child murdering, the rapes, and the general abuse is coming from men that support your side, then it may not be 'terrorism', right?

Of course it is terrorism.

Of course it is murder.

Of couse it is propaganda.

Heavens above, what would you need?

 

I agree.

accountable for what?

jack, life ain't fair, never was, never is, and never will be. It is inherent to evolution and survival of the fittest.

what is morally bankrupt?

 

Evidence?

Of what?

Here is what I said...

He speaks with intelligence, and there is more peace in his words than pass out of the mouth of Rabbi Bomb Bomb.

What are you looking for, a link with every sentence?

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For its effing nuclear arsenal.

Know what?

Forget it.

They could launch one, and you would be blaming the victims.

Ta ta

 

Yep, he never threatened to attack Germany and never demanded from Germans any guilt trips and never extorted money from German taxpayers.

He said in his interview that he loves Germany and Germans.

Had any Israeli leader ever said that he loves Germany and Germans?

I think that Ahmadinejad is a honest and intelligent man, not like this lying Zionist from Spiegel.

It is obvious that any referendum in Europe will prove that Europeans are more afraid of Zionists, that of Iran.

In fact, the polls already confirmed that.

 

Of couse they are not matters of opinion. Those acts are crimes. As you name them, they are identified as crimes. they are crime everywhere. However, we do have a legal system that requires a conviction. In the police and prosecutors opinion the crime might be murder, but the judge/jury might find it was self defence for instance.

I do not deny propaganda, but that is not murder, its is not terrorism,, AND in fact it is not necessarily promotion of either. Freedom of speech laws have pretty specifc restrictions and and considerable burden of proof.

 

evidence =- I was referring to this " he clearly does care about his country and people, unlike Obama and Cameron", hence my questioning of your statement about Obama.

in what way should they be accountable and to whom should they be accountable?

I doubt it. You engage in all kinds of fuzzy language and generalized accusations and when I press for clarity, you run away. qu'elle suprise.

 

That is utter crap.

 

Not only that, but by that reasoning power, you could fairly make the same glib excuse for all mass murder, and genocide, ie; 'Well, okay, maybe it was not fair, but hey, it's survival of the fittest'...

I find that sort of thinking to be primative, and what leads to mass murder.

I, on the other hand, do not approve of the mass murder of people anywhere, nor do I believe that mass murder and greed is our default position.

This thinking is poison imo.

 

Strange world.

On one hand, we are told to play nice, and whatever we do, we must never say anything which may offend, while, at the same time, the psychopathic infanticidal killers are plotting yet another genocide, they are like vampires.

Anyone that openly supports this sort of stuff is the TRUE spreaders of hate, since it does not get more evil than to cheer on a genocide.

Such people need some sort of lobotomy, since it is clear they are lacking something.

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed last week that new second-generation centrifuges, which Iran plans to start up at its Natanz uranium enrichment facility, could cut by a third the time needed to create a nuclear bomb – underlining his deadline of this summer to take military action against Iran.

Netanyahu’s prediction, however, appears to be based on some unsubstantiated assumptions regarding Iranian intentions and capabilities. Yet it can provide ammunition to the hawks in Washington and Jerusalem, who could rush us into another needless and counterproductive war in the Middle East. Netanyahu’s assertions do not stand up to technical scrutiny.

Critically, he does not mention that Iran has been converting part of its 20-percent-enriched uranium hexafluoride gaseous stockpile into metallic form, for use as fuel for the Tehran Research Reactor. This conversion essentially freezes the enrichment level and subtracts from the “enrichable” gaseous stockpile used in centrifuges. It is not something that a nation hell-bent on weaponization would do.

Neglecting this fact in coming up with a hypothetical “time line to a bomb” is like balancing your bank account by registering just your income – but failing to subtract the amounts of the checks you’ve written.

Basically, whatever amount is converted to metal oxide form is not easily available for further enrichment to weapons-grade uranium, even if Iran decided to launch a weaponization effort in the future. Reconversion back to gaseous form is difficult and time-consuming and a major roadblock if a country intends to “race to the bomb.”

Another error Netanyahu makes in his flawed time line is assuming that Iran could instantaneously install, debug and run thousands of centrifuges at full capacity. This is highly unlikely. There are almost 12,700 first-generation (IR-1) centrifuges spinning at Natanz. Installing and starting up 3,000 or so of the new second-generation (IR-2) machines will take months. It is akin to setting up a whole new facility. The latest IAEA report on Iran indicates they have installed – but not yet hooked-up ‑ just 180 of the IR-2 machines. It is not clear that they will be connected in the foreseeable future or even if they will work.

The best intelligence about Iran’s nuclear program indicates that no nuclear weapons work is going on in Iran right now. James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, has confirmed that he has “a high level of confidence” that no such work is going on now. This reflects the consensus view of 16 different U.S. intelligence agencies.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/23/world/la-fg-iran-intel-20120224

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/02/22/how-close-is-iran-to-nuclear-weapons/

 

Darwin would be turning in his grave if he knew how his theory of evolution by natural selection was being totally and utterly misused and abused in the way people like Jonsa often do.

 

O.k., you may be right.

Did you know that kids can get up to 20 years in the slammer for stone throwing, with no lawyer or relative at their side?

That is way out of proportion!

The IDF should finally get smart and handle the problem with chocolate.... give kids, who throw no stones a little chocolate bar!!! I bet Hershey would even provide them for free, if their generosity gets mentioned in the papers and on TV.
Soon all Palestinian kids would line up and smile, when a jeep comes patrolling their villages.

Life could be so simple. Why not give them back their land and all live happily ever after?

 

Freudian slip?

 

Hear, hear. The double standards are quite amazing.

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It was.

 

Oh, so survival of the fittest is a fair process?

Life is fair? Tell that to a kid with cancer. Tell that to the palestinian families that died when the iDF dropped a 500lb on their apartment. Tell that to the woman who was walking home and got raped.

Some people get more, lots of people get less than they deserve. that is not fairness.

If you wish to refute something I say, then at least present a cogent argument.

 

I sure did not know that. Do you have a source for this astonishing piece of information?

your not actually serious are you? chocolate bars?

Yes, they should be able to establish their own state. You think that unilaterally giving it back and ending the occupation will cause "happily ever after"?

 

Of course the things you mentioned are not fair. But that is not what you meant by survival of fittest in the Hobbesian sense which is presumably what you were initially referring to.

 

It's horrible.

How I can put a vid on here of that beast, Marie Jana Korbelová, barely blinking as she talks about genociding HALF A MILLION children, then you get someone ignoring the essence of it, and ref to this creature as 'Madeline', as if on personal terms.

I pity such people, esp as they are the self same type of people that then wail and moan, and someone writing something on the internet they don't like.

It's like they see this one very specific group of people as having a total free pass, and no else matters.

Screw that.

 

Again with an utterly ridiculous logical fallacy. (you are addicted to them it seems)

I am not using the fact that life is not fair to excuse anything.

Not being fair does not excuse criminal behaviour, and fairness in a fight is something for sport, not a war.

Your fallacy does not hold up to logic. What do you think the death of an "innocent victim" is? Is that fair?

Pretty cheesy attempt to attribute a ridiculous and immoral attitude to me. But I do love the pomposity.

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nope........ deliberate.

 

You don't then induce more cancer though do you, just so he has company...

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Reads to me like you do.

 

try to follow the response chain:

jack posted this:
Israel still must be held accountable, you simply cannot claim a sense of fairness on any level, if there is SILENCE there, while their shiils bang the war drum for Iran.

I responded with this:

accountable for what?

jack, life ain't fair, never was, never is, and never will be. It is inherent to evolution and survival of the fittest.

I was refering to the fairness at any level part of his sentence.
I was not referring to suvival of the fittest in the hobbsian sense, I was referring to survival of the fittest in the life sense, politics and philosphy aside.

 

Sorry, my apologies.

 

Genociding? wow a new verb.

You seem to want to attribute United Nations Security Council imposed sanction on Iraq to Madaleine Albright, who was the secretary of state for the US. Why not blame all the permanent members of the UNSC. Why not blame Bush1, the president and all.

I pity such people, esp as they are the self same type of people that then wail and moan, and someone writing something on the internet they don't like.

It's like they see this one very specific group of people as having a total responsibility for all the worlds woes, and no else matters.

such delicious irony.