So, are you claiming the current Labour party under Corbyn is different to the last version but this Tory government under May is the same as under Cameron??
I don't know why you're rambling on about New Labour. I was never a supporter. Amusing that, when confronted with Tory MPs showing that most of them are as clued up as Trump, you have to go on a party political blubber. This goes way beyond party politics. And that's my point. The Tories aren't treating it as such. They're using it for political lip service. 'Throw the kids some nice words' as they attempt to cling on to power.
Personally, if someone wants to support Labour or Tory, they need to stop erasing the history of their own party. Secondly, I was born late 60's and always been concerned the way we've been moving from cardboard and glass to plastic. I'm dismayed that finally a government is going to take action. I don't care what version of Labour or Tory government have been in power, why has it taken so long to make the decision to delete plastic? The answer being, China have stopped taking our plastic waste.
Still trying to make a petty party political point? Tut tut! This is about crafting long term environmental policy. You don't get that with nudging. You certainly don't get it from mentioning plastics as you react to Blaue Planet with empty platitudes. What direct action have you been involved in on the issue? There is no decision to delete plastic. The government is not introducing anything significant.
Ah, that old chestnut, whatever the Tories do, it didn't go far enough. Doesn't matter that many versions of Labour have done naff all, Tories didn't go far enough. Labour are useless, Blair and Brown ran up the biggest debt in history. Having to bail the banks out made it worse. You have to be devoid of a brain to vote Labour. Taf springs to mind.
They didn't go anything. To suggest they have 'deleted plastic' is nonsensical. Austerity! Does that mirror Tory environmentalism? Let's consider... Austerity was never about economic rationality. Indeed, it has increased debt. Austerity was simply used to manipulate the pleb. Given the pleb has no money, its easy to buy the macroeconomic 'the country has no money' narrative. It was a neat means to use right wing ideology as a vote winner. Now Tory environmentalism is of course just a feature of the electoral cycle: 'we care young folk, honest. Now vote for us'. The difference though is that the narrative provided is child like. Even a Daily Mail reader can see through it for what it is: empty words, no policy.
Do Labour supporters run their own bank account the same way they expect the government to run their's??? Labour are as much use as tits on a fish. History shows that once they've run out of money, they spend everyone else's. And the benefit cheats follow them. It's always the peasants that support Labour. Why can't they just get off their backsides and work. Just as well I can't run the country because you will have to work for once in your life. Benefits will be scrapped.
To suggest that macroeconomics can be understood in the same way as Auntie Mildred's purse would of course be cretinous. But you again miss the point! Austerity, as an electoral ploy, worked. Despite having no economic rationality behind it, it still generated Tory vote. That describes the power of the narrative, where stories can be used to out-trump policy sense. We don't have that with plastics. We just have a desperate attempt to get positive press. They didn't just forget the policies. They forgot the narrative.
Is that code talk for bankrupt the country to pay benefits? Yes. It's an attempt, an attempt that 'balls-less' labour didn't do. Take your blinkers off and admit it.
Reiver, go on, try it. Just say, in UK politics history, only the Tories in 2018 have made a pledge to sort the plastic problem. You can do it, we won't laugh, just try your best.
Pledge? Chortle, chortle! Name one policy that they are introducing which you believe justifies your 'deleted plastic' nonsense?
Yes, but until now they've simply foisted off the problem of plastic pollution onto the Chinese - and **** knows how much that has cost the UK taxpayer over the years, in addition to our EU membership subscriptions. But now the Chinese have said they don't want any more of it, the useless ruling classes have at last to actually get off their fat asses and do something about it.
Perhaps you can help Nonnie here? What significant policies have they introduced which tackles 'the problem of plastic pollution'?
Yeah thats' the way of it....parapets...don't put you head over it. Very easy to say what one would do when one can't do anything and when one can can do something its always too little too late...its' all bollocks. Anyway as the fella Reiver says unilaterally declaring war on something may appear to tackle an issue but in effect it doesn't. This is a global issue and needs a global solution not what amounts to grandstanding on a domestic stage. I'd like to see a cleaner world but its going to take a whole truck load of attitudes and commercial pressure globally to accept the required change.
Re above - actually I've just remembered that she pledged to do it by 2045. She obviously doesn't think there's much urgency?
Well such meaningless pledges always sound good in PMQs? And to think that Corbyn's even more bloody hopeless than May? WTF!!
But never demands meaningful answers; May just hits back with for example 'more doctors' 'more nurses' 'more funding' 'more this' 'more that' and he just carries on with reading out an email sent to him by 'Mary' or 'Carol'. Jesus, he's the living example of 'and some have greatness thrust upon them.'
You want him to demand answers from someone known for not providing answers? Gosh. He must have some mind control!
