Trump administration lifts ban on importing heads of hunted elephants

Tell that to the Africans, that is if they'll even listen. Plus, you'll have to offer them money just for them to listen.

 

As I said, have fun. I've been arguing that these hunts are necessary and I'm glad some people have the urge to do it but I personally never would and if I met someone who said hey, come over to my house and see my elephant head I'd say no thanks.

 

I say we send Trumps team over there and practice on building the wall. The only thing that will stop it is taking the profit out of ivory. If the poachers are decimating the herds how does killing more help. Resources to eradicate the poachers could be an alternative.

 

You have no clue what you talk about. This is not about lions or elephants. This is about a massive population explosion. Each 7 days africa grows by 1 million people. The Exodus already started. They will flood the middle east. They will crush Europe and they will not stop there.
Do you know Sloterdijk? Its a famous philoshopher. He predicts in the next 10 years we will have automated defense systems in the mediterranean which simply kills evry migrant trying to sneak in. We will see things far worse than in the 3rd Reich. This year only 180.000 africans crossed into Italy and Italy was on the brink of collapse. What do you think happenes when each week 1 million arrive? Do you have the slightest idea how nations react who feel an existential threat?

So i ask again, what will you do when each day hundreds of Trawlers arrive at your eastern coast with 1 million african refugees?

We know that they go to new routes when one is closed. Once Europe is locked down with brutal force, they will cross the atlantic. I assure you that.

 

These reserves need a small army to keep poachers out and the third world countries involved don't have the financial resources. If they can finance this by charging rich westerners a small fortune to shoot an occasional elephant and in the process keep the herd from overwhelming the reserves habitat then that's what they have to do I guess. Once again I ask if you have a better idea?

 

I flatly stated it's about too many people so I don't know what you think I don't grasp

 

I bet you didn't know that most elephant trophies aren't really trophies but PAC animals, often hurt and many times tusk-less. You can still import the hide, tanned leather or have it done over there. The illegal trade in hides is also a big part of the poaching business.

 

Supply the money and resources without killing the elephants. What's so hard about that? It should be a international effort.

 

Hell, our politicians are so stupid they'll fly them in first class.

 

Culling of the herd is necessary on these reserves but this threads about importing heads of big healthy trophy kills.

 

Start the foundation, I'll contribute.

 

And just who is going to supply this money, especially after the government's steal most of it? Ever been there to see where most elephants live? I'll answer that. The days of plains elephants has long been gone. Most of them live in thick forest. From the air, except in what counts as winter in Africa you can't see jack. Poachers won't use guns either, they'll use poison arrows or better yet spears. Any guns they carry are to use against you.

 

There aren't just that many to import and a truly big trophy is from a non-breeding male.

 

Well if it's a non breeding male it's not about population control it's strictly for financial reasons and as I have said repeatedly I'm OK with that. Sickened that it's reached this point but but the reality of the situation is what it is.

 

Elephant poachers have become small armies and use full auto weapons to kill elephants and fight off any efforts to stop the poaching which is why the reserves need well armed armies of their own.

 

It's been this way for decades and it bothers you exactly why? It's the African's elephants and if they want to sell them for profit instead of letting them rot on the ground then they die what business is it of yours?

 

I flatly stated I'm ok with financing elephant population survival by hunting fees so I don't know why you insist on arguing with me on this.

 

Depend upon where you are, but the answer is no. They're really small groups who travel light and move fast. If they can, they'll get panels of skin if they have support close by to salt the hides, but it's awfully heavy. There are no small armies unless it is the army which is what happened in Kenya.

 

Elephant Poaching on Rise in Resistance Army Stronghold in Democratic Republic of Congo

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...y-stronghold-in-democratic-republic-of-congo/

The Fight Against Elephant Poachers Is Going Commando
In central Africa, a former Israeli military trainer and his team are deploying battle-tested tactics to stop the runaway slaughter of elephants

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Elite British troops on the trail of elephant killers who slaughter entire herds for ivory to fund terror

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/elite-british-troops-trail-elephant-10721620

 

And you can see how effective they are too. I bet you didn't know that more than few top rank trackers in the Safari business were once elephant poachers? You're not going to catch these guys easily. Laughable really. They drink surprisingly little water and don't need to carry much. They'll pack a little mealie meal in a beat up old military pack and live off the land for days. You can't run them down in a stern chase, they'll simply outpace you.

 

Which is why these reserves need small armies to patrol their borders. Once again you want to argue with me when we basically agree because you are offended by my personal views about people who shoot elephants for trophy's. Get over it.

 

Yes, Hunters are Psychopaths—and Sport Hunting is Serial Killing
Posted on November 12, 2012


Based on your response to yesterday’s post, “Are Hunters Psychopaths?” the answer is clear: Yes, hunters are psychopaths. Therefore, by extrapolation, we can conclude that sport hunting is serial killing. There’s no way of getting around it. Not unless you consider non-human animals to be mere objects, possessions or “things,” but then you would be viewing them the way a psychopath views his victims. The fact that society still considers nonhumans as objects or possessions can only mean human society shares some of the traits of a psychopath.

Objectification is one of the benchmark behaviors of psychopathy.

https://exposingthebiggame.wordpres...chopaths-and-sport-hunting-is-serial-killing/

The tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT joins a long list of mass shootings. The scenario is by now sickeningly familiar: a troubled teenage boy unleashes mayhem in an instant, taking down children, adults, and ultimately himself in a hail of bullets. After the shock, we are left to puzzle over the early warning signs missed, the clues overlooked. While there are no easy answers, animal abuse may be one of those warning signs.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...201302/do-mass-killers-start-out-harming-pets

 

You've found us out, deception can be delicious.

 

Was this buffalo a man-killer? Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone after you or anyone if you had just let him alone. I approve of hunting man-killers but otherwise generally no. Domestic animals are one thing, we feed them and give them much longer and better lives than they would have otherwise and the relationship is symbiotic, but man is beyond the point where we must be parasites on nature to survive. You shouldn't hunt something that isn't hunting you. All your "trophy" shows is that you spent a lot of money just so you could slaughter a magnificent creature that would make short work of you if you dared to even think of giving it anything approaching an even chance.

If you want a trophy why don't you hunt wild pigs with a lance, which is legal in Tennessee. I'll tell you why you don't, because a big Boar will run right up that lance and give you a thrill they'll bury you with and that's a little more Death in the Tall Grass than any of you Mighty Hunters really want

 

Quoted for truth. Even though it's dated I find that Cleveland Amory's Our Incredible War on Wildlife, should be required reading for anyone who wants a real view of our "environmental" hunters. Hunters and gun advocates in general are creepy, no mistake and no way around it.