Trump appointee arrested in connection with Capitol riot

Doubling down on derailing the thread Jack? This is how you win a debate?

Again - what are your thoughts regarding the on topic questions I asked you in post 106?

Do you believe Trump violated 18 USC 2385?

Do you believe that independent elections across 50 states were stolen by Ds too incompetent to also have stolen down ballot seats?

Do you believe that after Jan 6th there isn't a need for securing the Capitol of the United States?

Do you disagree with Liz Cheney's assessment of Trump's role as the President of the United States?

The real danger to the Republic was the addled fool sitting in the Oval office. Except that he isn't a fool at all. He is exceptionally crafty and has managed to convince many members of our society that he represents their interests.

Trump spewed his bombastic advocacy to invalidate the election and thereby advocacy to overthrow the government of the United States from an erected stage complete with bulletproof glass shielding ffs.

Overheated D and LW MSM media coverage? Not hot enough and not nearly sufficiently focused on Individual #1 is my opinion. Taking you at your word that you are a retired US Intelligence officer, do you believe that Putin has been disappointed by these events all led by Trump up to and following the 2020 election? Or, just maybe, the populist narrative that Trump has falsely cultivated within a base that neither he nor his party give a s about and this final twist he's thrown at 75M of his supporters that they can't trust elections has Vladimir quite pleased?

Do you think that Trump was just kidding around in his attempt to overthrow the results of the election? Do you think that he just kidding around with his admonishments to Pence to negate the certified votes of the States? More importantly, do you think that one who holds the office of the Presidency has the freedom to say these things, for almost three months? Statements that literally serve to undermine the very process by which our government functions: elections?

 

I don't find your post 105 particularly compelling, but that's just my opinion. I'd like to claim to be an independent, but the fact is I'll likely never vote R again in my life. Particularly after Trump.

Particular - why is this word vibing in this response? Curious.

Particulars - you seem to not really be paying attention to the larger picture that Trump literally tried to overthrow the results of a national US election.

Do you deny that Trump was the first US President to try to overthrow an election?

 

I don't expect you to find the observation of this communications professional compelling given the narrative you've been pushing nor am I going to fault you for your partisanship. Once upon a time I was a New Left JFK Democrat and today you couldn't pay me to vote for anyone in what has become of his party, so who am I to criticize you?

You tell me, Grey. I'm not a mind reader...

Since Trump did not literally try to overthrow the results of a national US election, he would not be the first US President to try to overthrow an election.

As I mentioned earlier, I've read his speech, and since you appear to be interested in particulars, here's an excerpt from it:

"peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

Obviously, narratives and facts are two different things, and what you seem to be ignoring is that no one has been foolish enough to even try to prosecute Trump for trying to overthrow the election.

Why? Because there is no evidence to support the charge.

On the other hand, the protesters who took it upon themselves to break into the Capitol are going to have to take responsibility for their actions, and I'm not going to listen to any crying about it. If I can attend large demonstrations in DC and exercise my First Amendment rights in a peaceful and lawful manner so can everyone else. A permit to protest is not a license to lawlessness.

As for the larger picture, what we have here is one protest that got out of hand and that's it. It's not an insurrection and it's not a revolution and it doesn't merit a $130 million made-for-media dog and pony show that needlessly wastes taxpayer money and keeps National Guard troops from returning to their states, homes and families where they belong. This charade has gone on long enough, and you know it's gone on long enough when Democrats like Eleanor Holmes Norton call bullshit on it,

 

I doubt it. The point has been made by others here that even though there are statutes delineating the crime of insurrection, that has not been charged in any 6 January case. Why? Because no one fears the Three Stooges.

 

No.
No.
No, no need.
No.

 

Putin is pleased by anything that causes trouble for the US, but that's not really important here.
No, I don't think Trump was kidding around, but I think he was virtually alone in his deluded fantasy world. Yes, he had every right to say those things, as do we all.

 

LOL - political flapdoodle ?

Which Shakespearean opus might we find that elegant rhetorical flourish in?

 

ROFL! Treason was NEVER charged. You are way off the reservation.

"Insurrection" without guns or a plan. That was about as serious as a Joe Biden playing a game of chess.... or even checkers at this point.

This was all overblown by the MSM and Establishment to get stupid people outraged to the point that they think making Washington D.C. a fortress is a good idea.

 

More Hoosier than Shakespearean.

 

It doesn’t matter what was charged. The definition remains. So strange to see so many people that self identify as patriots (I guess it isn’t resolved for transsexuals anymore) cheering about theft of government property, insurrection, murder, and their cohorts smearing feces all over taxpayer buildings.

trump did a number on his base

 

Storming the Capitol over false pretenses to prevent Congress from carrying out its duties is the farthest thing from an assault.

 

Definitions help.

1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.

 

So strange to see the unending butt hurt from the Left over some idiots with no guns, no plan, and no chance of doing anything except posing for the media. What ANTIFA and BLM has been doing all last year and is continuing to do today is far far far far worse and I see people like you celebrate it. A consistent person would denounce both, but that's not the Left.

 

You have not seen people like me celebrate it. People like me have been calling for the police to shut the rioting (not the protest) down hard. Feel free to review my post history before you make comments that negate your biases.

I am not the one saying that discussions on a literal insurrection that left five people dead is “butt hurt” because they have nothing but hypocritical views confirmed by bouts of cognitive dissonance.

 

Your point?

 

I won't say I will never vote R again, for I dislike D's as much.
But never a trump or butt kisser of trump. So far, most of the R party are butt kissers.
So it may be a while before I go vote R.

 

I dislike the Democrats but I abhor the Republicans.
I wish I had a third party to give my vote for (ranked choice voting ftw)

Until then it is like choosing between a dumpster fire and a sewage spill — one smells slightly better

 

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Xenforo seems to have a nifty little bug when I select 1 for the text size, bizarre.

 

You claim to have read through all ~11,000 words of the transcript of his Jan 6th speech and offer one 6 word phrase of it as proof that he didn't attempt to overthrow the results of the US 2020 election?

1) Did Trump ever concede the election? No, he did not.

2) Has any President in the history of the United States ever failed to concede an election, for any reason? No, it has never before happened.

Do you dispute this?

 

I don't claim I read it, I did read it (quite boring, actually), and there is no proof in his speech that he incited any violence, much less an insurrection or an attempt to overthrow the election.

Conceding an election is quite a different matter.

Democrats didn't concede the 2016 election, either, and they spent the next 3+ years trying to overthrow it. That doesn't even get into what Barack Milhous Onixon did that has warranted an investigation into the illegal spying that took place against the Trump campaign.

Of course, Democrats don't have a problem with any of that, so you'll have to pardon me for not joining in their Carnival of Hypocrisy.

 

Barack Milhous Onixon?

 

Perhaps, you've heard of him. He was one of the greatest spy masters in American history. Ask Itchy Jim Clapper or Angela Merkel.

 

Doubling down on the inanity, noted.

 

Unrelated but . . . maybe related after all.
The Sovietization of the American Press

Matt Taibbi, Substack

". . . All of this has created an atmosphere where even obvious observations that once would have interested blue-state voters, like that Biden’s pandemic relief bill “does not establish a single significant new social program,” can only be found in publications like the World Socialist Web Site. The bulk of the rest of the landscape has become homogenous and as predictably sycophantic as Fox in the “Mission Accomplished” years, maybe even worse. What is this all going to look like in four years?"

 

Happy to help clear that up for you. For future reference, it annoys me when people put me in a position to defend that woman.