Trump calls for the release of 100s of his supporters arrested re: Capitol riot

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    A treaty….with the Taliban. One he made sure someone else would have to live up to, since he had 4 years and failed to end the war. Real profile in courage lol
     
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    Wha
    What was Trump doing his last 2 months in office to make this plan reality?
     
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    More fake uneducated claims do to your lack of ability to even read links you promote as supporting your real lack of knowledge.

    1. The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement (not a surrender no matter what you think) with the Taliban. We didn't surrender troops, equipment, or personnel. It was a negotiated cease fire to leave Afghanistan which is what Democrats were whining about in the first place. Which is why Democrats did it as well.
    2. We didn't build Bagram Air Base which was occupied by the Soviets in the 80s
    3. We didn't build Shindand Airbase which was built in 1961 by the Soviets
    4. Kandahar International Airport was built in 1962
    5. Camp Dwyer was cut into the sand with barbed wire and guard towers in 2007 as a British firebase
    6. Camp Leatherneck was originally Camp Bastion, which was the main British military base in Afghanistan

    The Trump administration signed a cease fire that stopped any US military forces from being road bombed or fired upon, where no US soldier lost their lives for 18 months.
    During that time, Trump evacuated 3 bases (Letherneck, Dwyer, and Shindand) without a shot fired removing all US equipment and thousands of US troops only leaving one base (Bagram) and 2500 soldiers to be evacuated no later than May 1, 2020.

    Biden reneged on the deal for no other reason than to set the date for 9/11. The Taliban warned Biden if he didn't leave by the agreed date they would attack. Biden ignored them until they overtook the city in August. So dumb ass Biden ordered a midnight evacuation abandoning thousands of Americans and allies and billions in US military equipment. Then leaves for camp David not to be heard from again until the following week.

    Biden abandoned Bagram Air Base and left billions of US military equipment to the Taliban because Biden refused to abide by the agreement for a 9/11 photo op, which eventually shot him in the ass.

    He also refused calls from our allies while he was on vacation so for the first time in history, Parliament held the US president in contempt for pulling this stunt without so much as a warning to them, then refusing to take their calls. Even CNN called Bidens idiotic withdraw incompetent.

    CNN
    Joe Biden is facing a crisis of competence
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/joe-biden-afghanistan-border-masks-covid-19
    Biden’s botched Afghan exit is a disaster at home and abroad long in the making
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/afghanistan-joe-biden-donald-trump-kabul-politics
    Biden tries for a reset after a nightmare week in Kabul
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/politics/president-joe-biden-afghanistan-politics-storm-republicans
    CNN Turns on Biden Over Afghanistan Mess, Says He ‘No Longer Gets Credit Simply for Not Being Trump
    https://sputniknews.com/20210820/cn...it-simply-for-not-being-trump-1083669954.html

    So when you can figure out the actual historical documented withdraw was about, let us know so you can stop slinging around links you haven't even read or know what they say
     
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    You mean the one where The Trump administration signed a cease fire that stopped any US military forces from being road bombed or fired upon, where no US soldier lost their lives for 18 months.
    During that time, Trump evacuated 3 bases (Letherneck, Dwyer, and Shindand) without a shot fired removing all US equipment and thousands of US troops only leaving one base (Bagram) and 2500 soldiers to be evacuated no later than May 1, 2020.

    Biden reneged on the deal for no other reason than to set the date for 9/11. The Taliban warned Biden if he didn't leave by the agreed date they would attack. Biden ignored them until they overtook the city in August. So dumb ass Biden ordered a midnight evacuation abandoning thousands of Americans and allies and billions in US military equipment. Then leaves for camp David not to be heard from again until the following week.

    He also refused calls from our allies while he was on vacation so for the first time in history, Parliament held the US president in contempt for pulling this stunt without so much as a warning to them, then refusing to take their calls. Even CNN called Bidens idiotic withdraw incompetent.

    CNN
    Joe Biden is facing a crisis of competence
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/joe-biden-afghanistan-border-masks-covid-19
    Biden’s botched Afghan exit is a disaster at home and abroad long in the making
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/afghanistan-joe-biden-donald-trump-kabul-politics
    Biden tries for a reset after a nightmare week in Kabul
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/politics/president-joe-biden-afghanistan-politics-storm-republicans
    CNN Turns on Biden Over Afghanistan Mess, Says He ‘No Longer Gets Credit Simply for Not Being Trump
    https://sputniknews.com/20210820/cn...it-simply-for-not-being-trump-1083669954.html

    You mean that one?
     
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    Repeating trumps lie won’t make it true
    https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-afghanistan-troops-killed-659053265479

    During Trump’s presidency, which ran from January 20, 2017, to January 20, 2021, there were 45 combat deaths among U.S. service members reported in Afghanistan, as well as 18 “non-hostile” deaths, according to the Defense Casualty Analysis System.
    During the last, full 18 months before Trump left office in January 2021 — from July 2019 to December 2020 — there were 12 combat deaths reported.
     
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    Good luck with that.
    Okay, so if all the rest of them can do it, I guess so can Don. I guess. *shrugs*
    Yeah, pretty much.
    Wait, what? He could have been elected in ANY other election for POTUS once he turned 35. Did the US somehow alter the rules just for him or anyone in 2016? Please elaborate. Also, Trump won less because of Obama who was basically a non-factor at that point and far more because the Dems ran Hilla. Biden woulda trounced Trump in 2016. So would Bernie. Far less negatives. More to the point, Bernie, Biden and Trump all had positives - I could make an argument in 2016 why you could vote FOR any of them. I never heard an argument FOR Hill outside of she wasn't Trump - a negative argument - or she had no Y Chromosome.

    Well, you're gonna haveta first drop the idea that you can co-exist with people who disagree with you while your sig says -
    I mean, you're talking about co-existence but that assumes you have major differences with people you disagree with - and that means if you wanna co-exist you gotta start engaging with the very people you don't wanna respond to. If you won't respond to people you disagree with there's no way you can actually address any kind of difference of opinion - and I'm using "you" in a general sense now, as in everyone out there. Yer gonna haveta reach out to these people and make a compelling argument as to why what they believe is wrong. It means using empathy and understanding. It means looking at the situation from their perspective. It means making an honest and continued attempt to convince them to see things from your perspective as well as without being combative or belittling them. The second Hilla called Trump supporters a basket of deplorables, I knew it was over because she lacked the nuance to realize there were people voting for Trump NOT because they necessarily supported him but because they felt ignored and forgotten and were financially hurting and Trump offered them (odd as it sounds) hope while she avoided the Rust Belt altogether. She lacked the ability to understand that there were many people voting for Trump for differing reasons such as economic ones and that she could have reached out to them and made a convincing argument to vote for her while not insulting them. I've been off-line for awhile - way busy with teaching and mentoring new teachers - but let's assume you're being sincere about this. The above applies to anyone who disagrees with someone on anything, pretty much - I had a swell time last week getting a DC fan and a Marvel fan to appreciate what the other company is doing and it involved getting each of these kids to see the other one's viewpoint in a polite manner. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But again - if you're serious about this, part of the change has to start with you.

    Heck, this forum usedta have actual real-world Nazis on it and I would debate them all the time. We had hard-core Zionists and Palestinians debating here. I dunno if any of them ever changed their minds on something but there was discourse and we learned something from the other.
     
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    If you could dispute what I posted, you would have. But you can't.
    Instead (and as per usual) you try and use lefty slight of hand to make yet another fake point.
    Sgt. 1st Class Javier J. Gutierrez and Sgt. 1st Class Antonio R. Rodriguez were killed in an insider attack – one that reports indicate was not affiliated with the Taliban.
    Next

    There were no US military killed by Taliban attack for the 18 months leading up to Trumps departure.
    But if you want to fake claims like any military person who died was a combat death, then magically claim it was the Taliban, it only shows how desperate you really are.
    So, help yourself.
     
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    You can repeat the far left lies but that doesn’t make it true. Brandon dropped the ball, Trump saved soldiers lives. Taliban did not kill a single soldier for 18 months…that’s good leadership on Trumps part.
     
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    That’s always been the case in NY. Bail is a possibility for violent felonies. Not guaranteed but a possibility.
    There’s no indication this accused killer is actually out. Very likely he won’t be able to post bail.
    So he wasn’t just released the next day. Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    Of course not. They're part of the democrat party.

    They won't start burning the country down until the democrats lose and they start sending out their Brown Shirts again.
     
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    Exactly lol,

    Leave it to Dems to blame their violence on Republicans when Republicans have power, then when they have power point to the lack of violence from BLM and Antifa.
     
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    You have to be easy with him. He thinks Trump released 3000 Taliban just for fun. Thats all he knows.
     
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    Probably the ONLY genuinely nice surprise I found in Trump, was that he had a consistent aversion to putting our men in harm's way for any foreign policy objective whether in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else. He never liked our troops in there, and he did not like them staying there. He was responsible for reducing our military profile, and Biden was likewise with these everlasting wars 'on terror' that Bush started and Obama continued. I give both Biden and Trump credit for telling the generals and hawks more no's than yeses to a sustained military presence.
     
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    He didn't really think that one through did he.
     
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    He's right, their sentences have been excessive.
     
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    Not nearly enough people have demonstrated this lack of responsibility you claim to justify removing peoples rights.

    Depending on how far left one is, it’s irresponsible and dangerous to simply be right wing at all.

    The authoritarian left has been coming after peoples rights for decades. Luckily people are no longer falling for far left alarmism.
     
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    So what is the bail set at for the people still incarcerated nearly two years later for January the 6th?
     
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    Silly comment. There is difference between undirected rage against the machine and a coordinated plan to overturn a legitimate government.
     
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    There certainly is and your folks claim 1/6 was a coordinated plan to overthrow the government shows you don’t have a ****ing clue what the difference is.
     
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    The latter never happened nor was attempted.
     
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    I have no idea what you're saying here. Just dumping insults for fun?
     
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    Aside from being systemically planned & attempted over many months.
     
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    … not sure how I can say it any clearer. Here let me try.

    You asserted that there’s a difference between raging against the machine and a coordinated attack to overturn the American government.

    I said you’re correct. There is a difference. And the fact you think 1/6 was a coordinated plan to overthrow the government and not a “raging against the machine” shows you don’t have a clue what that difference is.
     
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    Trump himself belongs in jail.
     
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    It wasn’t.
     

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