Trump didn't create this mess. He just made it worse

Trump didn't create rioting. He just made it worse.

 

Blaming Trump for all the negativity in an election year? Sure ,that isn't predictable.....*sarcasm*

 

Trump didn't create negative things happening in an election year. He just made them worse.

 

It comes down to whether the shooting is justified. When the person resists, law enforcement will try to subdue them without deadly force. However, if the law enforcement officer' life is threatened or if in his judgement someone else's life is threatened, lethal force is justified. Each law enforcement agency has their own specific rules on use of lethal force. They very somewhat, but the following article pretty well covers it.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/can-police-use-lethal-force-fleeing-suspect

 

My goodness - if Trump were any worse, he might be half as bad as Obama!

 

Yeah.... the guy with the five cops on top of him, and one with the knee on hist throat for 3 minutes after he passed out sure looked like a threat! Or maybe the guy running away with a dead taser. Both of which had a history of racism.

No law... no directive... no rule... Of course you won't accept it because it's against partisan dogma, but you have demonstrated all on your own that BLM has a very legitimate demand.

 

Floyd should not have happened and the cop should be prosecuted. The one in Atlanta is different. The cop was in a struggle with the suspect. He took his taser and started running away and turned towards him and fired. According to the cop, he saw a flash but was not sure it was the taser. This is the key to it from the article:
"The Supreme Court held in a 1989 case, Graham v. Connor, that the appropriateness of use of force by officers “must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene,” rather than evaluated through 20/20 hindsight."

He was reacting in seconds or less.

This is what the trial will come down to. It comes down to the cops condition after a fight with the subject. A fight that should not have taken place had the suspect not resisted arrest.

However it comes out, it does not negate what I said earlier. The BLM and Kaepernick are responsible for many of the blacks deaths when they demonize the police. Most of those killing would not have taken place had they not resisted arrest.

 

Do you honestly, deep down, believe that ALL black people and/or poor people (of any color) were resisting arrest or uncooperative with LEOs before deadly force was used?

 

Therefore, BLM has a legitimate demand.

 

Not all, but the vast majority. In each and every one which we have discussed, that is the case.

 

Read the rest of my edited post.

 

I'm not asking about any cases that have been discussed. I am asking you if you honestly believe that ALL black people and/or poor people have somehow caused their own maltreatment by LEOs. Keep in mind, that there are countless cases that NEVER make the news or are used in studies or happen on camera.

 

Not all. But the vast majority have resisted arrest. Show me one where that was not the case.

 

I'm going to bow out here. You aren't answering my question so I cannot continue the conversation.

 

Lets take the case of Brooks in Atlanta. He passed out in a Wendy's drive through. The cop arrived and spent a total of 45 minutes with him before he was shot.

The cop tapped on the window and finally woke him up.

The cop asked him several times where he thought he was and he answered incorrectly each time.

The cop performed an eye coordination test and determined he was impaired.

He then performed a breath test and determined he was over the legal limit.

The cop then tried to cuff him and put him under arrest.

Brooks resisted and got in a fight with the cop and another cop.

Brooks grabbed the cops taser and ran away.

Brooks turned towards the cop and fired the taser and the cop shot him.

According to the cop, he was somewhat dazed and was not sure whether he fired the taser or not.

If Brooks had complied with the cop, he would be alive today.

 

I said. "Not all"

Adios.

 

I'll try again. I am NOT asking you about Brooks or any case that has been discussed recently. I am asking if you can step back (just a small step, mind you) and HONESTLY say that EVERY case of lethal force by LEOs was preceded by resistance?

 

And I said "Not all".

However, show me a an instance where that was not the case. You will have to look long and hard.

 

I wouldn't have to look very long or hard at all. I know you are mistaken. However, I understand why you think you're right.

 

Lol by simply existing?

 

You might find a case. However, that is not the issue. The issue is whether most are caused by resisting. And from what I have seen, that is the case.
How about you answer my question.

Do you believe that most of these occur when the person was not resisting?

 

I've already stated that I am a former LEO. I think I did anyway. It might have been in another thread. Yes, of course I know about LEOs being unnecessarily aggressive to person(s) who weren't resisting arrest and I've been witness to other unfair practices within that system.

 

How many of them died?

I have never doubted there were bad policeman. However, the vast majority are good people. However, you would never believe that listening to BLM.

There would be many black lives saved, if they did not resist arrest.

 

Why is diversity our strength? Why do we need to embrace multiculturalism? And are you truly for embracing multiculturalism, or just the cultures of which you approve?

 

I think you are missing the big picture here and there is no way to help you see it because you are digging your heels in and don't seem willing to consider the other side of this, admittedly, very difficult, situation. That's your choice and you have every right to it.