Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

They also need to define what mentally ill mean/is. That is a very big category

 

I looked again....didn't see it.

"potential to harm others" is not a mental illness....and no you don't lose your right simply by having a diagnosis from a doctor

I agree that's how the process should work....Obama was putting them on a criminal database simply for being poor, or elderly and getting treatment.

They aren't now. geez....this entire thread is about how Trump stopped the practice created by Obama. Please keep up

 

So who diagnosis you as mentally ill and a danger to yourself and others.

That's garbage, you have yet to prove that crap.

If he claims they are the ones who are doing the killing it shows him as an idiot.

 

Unfortunately, racism is a learned stance. Not a product of mental derangement.
No matter how tasteless and horrible I may consider those people to be.

 

I doctor make the dianosis, a Court would making the finding about being a danger etc.


Geez...read the OP.

No, he said it was hatred and mental illness...you quoted him....but just haing a mental illness...doesn't mean they should be on a criminal database the way Obama treated them...nor does it mean they can't own a gun. We need to encourage people with mental illness to get treatment...not treat them like criminals when they do, and brand them with a scarlet letter.

 

The court is going to use the findings of the doctor.

Post the criminal database that Pres Obama put them on.

 

Sure, the Doctor would make an excellent witness....what's your point?

It's called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System....geez....we've been over this

 

Who diagnoses if someone is mentally ill?

That means anyone who buys a firearm is a criminal by your standard for the simple fact everyone goes through a background check when they a purchase firearm.

 

A doctor...not the Court. But being mentally ill allow isn't enough to lose your rights.

Sure...and there is nothing wrong with background checks....it's just wrong to put people on a criminal database when they have committed no crimes...Obama and apparently you, support putting people on taht criminal database simply for getting treatment for their mental health issue.

 

Except you aren’t right. Nothing prevents someone residing in that state from moving to another’s state and purchasing a full auto.

 

I am right. The law is not unconstitutionally, and I fail to see how this can not be expanded to other weapons.

 

So they basically rules on the findings of the doctor, I said that.

Nobody claimed they should, they only lose them if they a a danger.

You have repeated that lie so much you believe it.

 

I just showed you that you are wrong.

 

No, the Court would take the Doctor's testimony, but others as well. The person would have a right to defend themselves as well...and provide their own evidence.

It's called Due Process.

No, obama put them on this criminal database simply for getting SS benefits that paid for treatment...nothing more...didn't know a thing about them other then that.

 

What others? What evidence are you going to provide to prove you aren't.

Please post this data base and not the background check base that everyone is ran through when you purchase a firearm.

 

Other doctors, nurse...witnesses. Do you not know how a court proceeding works?

My name isn’t on that criminal database. Is yours? Only criminals appear...back before trump undid Obama’s rule, people with a mental illness and getting SS to pay for the treatment appeared as well

 

NEWS FLASH! Trump creates problem then heroically arrives to solve it.

 

Other doctors? It's pretty damn obvious you don't.

Oh my God back at it again.

 

Yes other doctors, witnesses etc...whomever the person wants to call as a witness.

Simple fact

 

Which requires a specific question to be asked. Why exactly has it been so easy for mass shooters armed with rifles, which cannot be concealed, to simply walk right into their location of choice while armed, and raise absolutely no suspicions in the process?

In each mass shooting where a rifle has been utilized, it is almost always in a location where the public expects some level of security that should be adequate to at least notice someone carrying a rifle with them at the time. And yet no one, not even the security that is present, seems to notice anything amiss until it is already too late and they are being murdered.

Why exactly is it that so many individuals in the united states seems so unaware of the dangers around them, that they cannot even notice when someone is carrying a rifle, even in a location where firearms are supposed to be prohibited? How are these individuals managing to successfully avoid getting hit by motor vehicles when crossing the street, or doing the same when they are the ones operating motor vehicles?

 

Meaning it is not even possible for yourself to actually care about the matter, or what may or may not be done as a result. Instead what is ultimately wanted on the part of yourself is for others to care about the matter, simply so such does not actually have to be done by yourself. Otherwise you as an individual would actually care enough to actually know what you are talking about.

The only argument on the part of myself pertains to the true facts of the matter. Facts are the only thing that holds any relevance, as only facts actually matter. Perceptions, beliefs, and opinions hold neither value nor relevance. And the discussion of facts leaves no room for such vague, uninformed terminology, such as "citizens being able to fire like soldiers" or anything else that conveys that those who are speaking have absolutely no idea of what they are attempting to speak about.

 

Ok the Court rules you mentally ill and they seem you may be a danger to yourself and others, now what?

 

Guy walks into a mall that has several entrances there isn't security at every entrance.

Guy walks up to a night club first person he shoots is the bouncer or security and now he is in.

 

Now that we have due process ones rights can be suspended and information made available...so long as doing so doesn’t violate HIPPA. But their rights certainly taken away...and if they lie on a background report be charged with a crime

 

That's just an assumption based on your bias. lol

It's not vague at all. Civilians are shooting just like soldiers. The amount of mass murders compared to similar western nations is sky high. The people of the US had enough of this all. Those are facts.