Trump is likely to be reelected.

Nah.

I could tell you what his message was in 2016: Make America Great Again. He promised economic prosperity. He promised to build the wall to keep illegals - I note you said Mexican immigrants and didn't qualify it - and those were pretty much his signature issues. To a secondary degree he vilified Hilla much as Hilla vilified him, although frankly, that's just politics here. He vilified the press, although to be fair they'd have vilified whoever won the GOP nom. I listened to Hilla's speeches and she was pretty negative herself, many times more than Trump.

The problem was that Hilla didn't have ANY kind of positive message. At ALL. Her only real platform was 1) I'm not Trump, and 2) I haz vagina. That was IT. Trump, I could actually point to a positive message if only an economic one within the miasma that was his campaign, but I couldn't find one with The Cellulite Goddess. During the 2016 campaign I repeatedly asked LW posters here why I should vote FOR Hilla. Sure, they could easily tell me why I should vote against Trump but not once, and I mean NOT ONCE did I ever get one reason why I should vote FOR Hilla. And this was from her own supporters here on PF.

Even the campaign slogans - Trumps: MAGA was focusing on America. Hilla? "I'm with her." - the focus being on Hillary. "Stronger Together" - together with HER. The focus was on her. Not that I'm saying these were the worst slogans in the world but there's an implicit message behind each one. Yeah, you hate Trump - and that's your right, I understand it - but I think your hatred is blinding you to the reasons people voted and supported him, which for many people - and I had some in my family - weren't based on racism and stupidity unlike what your basic kneejerk LW-type felt, but they had legitimate economic concerns and felt Trump would bring the economy back, or at least stay out of the way of a recovery - whereas Hilla it was the opposite. And there were military issues as well, and social issues - it was hardly as cut-and-dried as the LW seemed to think it was. In short (I know - too late for that) the LW lacked and lacks the nuance to properly understand what made Trump popular among his fans and completely misunderstands why he remains so.

 

Except a much more compelling case than the one against Clinton.

Read the Mueller Report.

 

Even MAGA is oppositional.

He was building the straw man that America is not great and the attacking that straw man. Now he does not have that because if America is not MAGA after four years then he is showing he has not kept a promise

That is why his new “message” is Keep America Great which is not going to fly as well especially with those who are struggling with higher prices from increases in consumer goods and those hot by Chinas retaliation on imports from USA

 

I wonder.....is there another side?

 

Ever notice how the further we slip in terms of education, the stronger the Democrat party gets?

 

Well, not really. His point was that the economy sucked - and it sure looked like it sucked while in the middle of it. When you had Blacks saying that Obama had done nothing for them even as they stood by him, it didn't look good. But the overall point was that Trump was pointing to a better future economically; there was something positive about it, although if you were a Hilla supporter and aligned with Obama, of course you'd think it was oppositional - to the policies that he supported. And again - I can't think of anything Hilla offered that was positive at all. No one could. Trump at least had one. Beyond that, he articulated things he wanted to do. To this day I STILL don't know what Hillary wanted to do and no one else has said either. I'm not even sure if Hilla knew either; for all we know she just wanted the Disney Animatronic in the Hall of Presidents of her made at Disney World.

- but might fly very well among people who see a booming economy.

I'll say it again: I find Trump a boor. I still don't think he has any class. I'd likely have voted for Bernie over Trump had THAT been the choice in 2016. But Trump is where he is, and I have to admit he's doing a far FAR better job than I thought he would, even if he's an overgrown teenager.

 

How could it be more compelling? Clinton actually committed a felony and plead to it after his Presidency. As for the Mueller Report, it seems we are not reading the same things, so give me the number one most serious felony Trump committed from that?

 

There does seem to be a pattern...

California's school system ranked 9th worst in the nation

 

If it's so compelling, why did Mule Head not find collusion, and the AG and Deputy AG not find a case for obstruction? It would seem to me that your case against Trump is either compellingly absent; or your keyboard compellingly incapable of describing it.

 

Dems need to go back to the center and stop all this bs!! No american wants illegals everywhere and no american wants bad trade deals like the T.P.P and NAFTA.

 

Anyways, I don't see dems winning back MI, PA and WI anytime soon, especially not FL. When people think of the dems now, they think of them as politicians who screwed over american workers by voting for these bad trade deals in the past. Granted republican establishment politicians aren't much better, but the dems have always claimed to be for the worker and their past actions have proved otherwise.

 

Have you even read the Mueller report?

 

Indoctrination now precedes Education.

 

No, he did not plead guilty after his presidency.

Moreover, you and I have had this very discussion before. I quoted extensively from the Mueller Report, but you, well, quoted directly from Rudy Giuliani, or some equally dubious source.

Do you want me to quote those discussions?

 

Red states are by and large poorly educated.

 

Rather....poorly indoctrinated. I can assume education to you means attending a liberal University.

 

I get a sneaking feeling that its the left that will be doing all the voter fraud, and will be influenced by maybe the Chinese? Not reelecting Trump will be a bonanza for China. I think the left was projecting onto conservatives what they are doing--election fraud.

 

No thanks. Sorry to say this but I wouldn't trust a Chinese/American with classified information. Yes, I know this bigotry, but its not like the Chinese haven't earned America's suspicions.

 

More than likely an on-line university. Lol. Now those temples of education will get you a nice job. Forty thousand in debt, and not a single skill to brag about. I notice they are targeting blacks in the commercials for these 'universities', and I bet they are falling for it.

 

That's the thing. Leftists believe the only way to be considered intelligent is to have a degree from a college, any college. They truly dont understand the difference between educated and intelligent.

 

Like Trump University? That turned out to be a pillar of academia didn’t it?

 

The economy makes or breaks most if not all Presidents. If it doesn’t go into a recessionary cycle, there is a good chance Trump gets re-elected. One reason he gets away with his vitriolic screeds is that he can continually tout the numbers. It’s not much different from a belligerent rebarbative head coach who is revered as long as the team keeps winning.

 

There is so much truth to this. Also educated>common sense. I see this ALOT with people with fancy degrees. Seems they teach the common sense right out of you.

 

Ya but us dumb Midwestern deplorable, white trash, sister screwing, redneck, pick up driving, gun toting, have some of the highest high school graduation rates in the country. How does California look in this regard?

 

Worse than that, the cost of indoctrination now far exceeds the cost of education. We would be better off going back to one room school houses with a chalkboard and stern teacher, than to send our youth to $100,000 indoctrination camps, only to have them come out as brainwashed liberals.