Trump may have really broken the law this time

You can't buy Trump tower for nothing.

 

It is not illegal for a campaign to accept assistance from an alien. It probably is illegal to pay for such assistance (ala the dossier) but there is serious questions about the veracity of the whistle blower's charge. And I believe it is the DNI, not the president, who decides if the whistle blower is credible or not eligible for congressional input.

ASAIK, Biden and son Hunter were never cleared of any wrong doing in Ukraine. They were never fully investigated and hence not charged with any wrong doing.

 

Is it actually illegal to accept “campaign dirt” from foreigners?
The FEC chair: “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.”

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/14/18677631/trump-campaign-finance-law-fec-illegal-fbi

As you may recall, one reason Donnie J was not charged by Mueller is Mueller's difficulty in assessing the value of the compromising material Donnie sought when he agreed to meet with a Russian operative on the promise of receiving compromising material on Hillary from the Russian government. Something that was characterized as an act of treason.

 

We have been down this road many times, all to no avail. As I have said many times and in fact you with cognitive dissonance agree and deny at the same time, it is not illegal to accept assistance from aliens or foreign nationals. It is illegal to accept assistance with value (sometimes per se, sometimes by not reporting it), and that value must be readily and commonly monetized in a regular dollar amounts. Which is what the FEC chair said (and FEC regulations and laws state) and what Mueller said. Any information assistance received at the Trump Tower meeting (which there wasn't any but I'll play along for discussion) could not have any specific dollar value applied to it, ergo nothing of value per the FEC. The dossier could have a specific dollar value applied to it because specific dollars were paid for it.

 

$250M in military aid was what Don was offering.

 

HUH??? What are you talking about? Or is this a quick slight of hand shift to a brand new subject?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/shep-smith-donald-trump-ukraine-075702040.html

Political blackmail, is a form of corruption.

withholding $400 million in desperately needed military aid, so as to force a foreign leader to investigate a dead story hoping that it will dig up dirt on a campaign opponent, is indeed a crime.

this accusation is much worse than the one from the 2016 election.

 

false!!!

Congress passed the aid and Trump was withholding it, unless Ukraine agreed to help him with his 2020 campaign.

that is a crime

 

You cornered yourself Lee. Shall we start locking up democrats?

Let's Get Real Democrats Were FirstTto Enlist Ukraine In US Elections

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-were-first-to-enlist-ukraine-in-us-elections

Read it carefully. Solomon actually interviiewed Ukrainian officials. The criminal actions of Obama's administration and democrats wete just shocking.

 

Did Biden have the authority to withhold aid? I say lock him up with trump anyway fwiw.

 

Biden threatened to call President Obama to withhold aid.

In the spirit of the Mueller Report, Biden should cooperate fully with any investigation into his actions--just like President Trump did--and let the chips fall--just like President Trump did.

 

Let's see:

1.Is this the statement of someone with firsthand knowledge of events?
NO

2.Is this the statement of someone who is still upset that President Trump made fools of Hillary, the mass media, the democrat party and every Trump frother in the country in 2016?
SOUNDS LIKE IT TO ME.

 

One question for the lefties here,
Tell us exactly what Trump did with respect to dealing with Ukraine? Be specific with backed up legitimate proveable sources. No more he said, she said, anonymous sources, unnamed insiders, etc. Specifics please.

 

Let's look at that statement:

1. You don't know anything more than the average Trump frother at CNN/MSNBC does about these events. (These are the same people who made false reports daily about the Russian Collusion Illusion.)

2. You prefer to jump to the conclusions of the average Trump frother..

3. Does that make you a Trump frother too?

 

Okay, let's look at this.

1. Joe Biden boasted on camera about blackmailing Ukrainian officials into firing a prosecutor who was looking at corruption at Burisma Oil where his son got to a free seat on the board and a fat paycheck with absolutely no ability. His only response so far to this is to offer no explanation whatsoever--just criticism of his critics..

2. President Donald Trump provided 1.5 million pages of docs to the Mueller investigation into Russian collusion and told his staff to cooperate fully.

So who thinks the rules don't apply to them?

The lack of logic on this website is amazing. Trump Derangement Syndrome will do that to you.

 

CNN reports, "House Democrats are nearing a tipping point on impeachment in the wake of the Trump administration blocking a whistleblower complaint's release to Congress.

"Moderate Democrats are showing new openness to move ahead with such an inquiry."

Inquiry, yes, inquiries will reveal to the voting public that Trump has broken the law several times. Impeachment, absolutely not.

CNN continued, "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is planning to put a resolution on the House floor tomorrow to address the Ukraine issue amid growing calls to start the impeachment process, sources said." Don't go there, Nancy.

"Former Vice President Joe Biden will say that Congress has "no choice but to impeach" President Trump if he does not comply with representatives' requests for information, according to a campaign aide."

That is playing right into Trump's hands. He wants to be impeached. How else do you explain his moronic weather forecast warning Alabama of a hurricane based on five day old NWS map? How else do you explain his invitation to the terrorist sponsors of the 9/11 hijackers to Camp David? How else do you explain his weak response to Iranian aggression and multiple violations of JCPOA? How else do you explain his admission that he broke the law regarding the whistleblower complaint (see post 405)?

The purpose of impeachment is to remove the President, but impeachment is a mere indictment. That is all it is. Impeachment will not remove the President. The trial is held in the Senate. As things stand now, there is no possible way Mitch's Senate will remove the Republican President.

All the Democrats will do is further divide this country and cause sympathy for Trump who was accused of these awful things, but proven innocent in the Senate trial. The Democrats' impeachment gambit will fail and along with it their aspirations of gaining the Presidency in 2020. They are not going to win the Presidency by failing.

Impeaching Trump will result in four more years of Trump!

 

Actually the Trump Tower prices are going down and a lot of units are on the market.

 

If Putin can buy Trump, I'm sure Trump tower can be bought also.

 

But not with nothing.

 

Do you think Trump Tower is more expensive than what Putin paid for Trump?

 

You mean more expensive than imaginary nonsense? I can't quantify that

 

Trump seemed to welcome impeachment. “I’m leading in the polls. They have no idea how they stop me. The only way they can try is through impeachment. This has never happened to a president before.”

Well, Trump is right about one thing. As President, he is truly unique. There has never been one like him before.

When it comes to the polls, it was another example of Trump's truthful hyperbole.

Recent national polling has shown Trump trailing former vice president Joe Biden and several other Democrats, while polling in several battleground states has not presented a much brighter picture for the president.

In the meantime, the Republican Senate led by Trump sycophant, Mitch McConnell, may actually be growing a pair.

Business Insider reports, "The Senate voted unanimously in favor of a resolution on Tuesday calling for a whistleblower complaint involving President Donald Trump to be turned over to congressional intelligence committees.

"The move is monumental and a rare moment of bipartisanship between Democrats and Republicans in the upper chamber. It also came as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was expected to announce her support of a formal impeachment inquiry into Trump stemming from the whistleblower's complaint."

If one were Trump, that would warrant an "uh-oh?"

 

NBC reports, "Trump said Tuesday he had authorized the release of the "complete, fully declassified and unredacted" transcript of a July phone call he had with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that is at the center of questions stemming from reports that Trump pressured him to investigate the family of former Vice President Joe Biden."

Too easy. As of Aug. 5, his 928th day in office, Trump had made 12,019 false or misleading claims, according to the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement the President has uttered. We have gotten to the point where Americans can't believe anything Trump says.

So, we will get the transcript of a phone call and, according to Trump, it will be unredacted.

"You will see it was a very friendly and totally appropriate call. No pressure and, unlike Joe Biden and his son, NO quid pro quo!" Trump tweeted.

I am sure that will be true.

The Post writes, "The staffer wasn’t privy to Trump’s call with Zelensky directly. But Trump’s conversation with Zelensky fit with other actions that the staffer had observed. It was part of a pattern, in other words, prompting the staffer to file a whistleblower complaint with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence."

The release of the transcript by the White House isn't likely to appease anyone. Democrats have been demanded that the administration provide the whistleblower complaint to Congress.

Trump admitted to breaking the law when he ordered the acting DNI to withhold the complaint from the House Intelligence Committee.

 

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado, Trump said, explaining truthful hyperbole. "I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.”

 

You have no idea that ANY of that tripe is true.

The complaint was ruled both credible and urgent by the IG.

The law says the whistle blower complaint goes to Congress.

Fulls stop