Trump orders American troops to retreat

No honey, that was invading Iraq.

 

That would be right up there as well...say in the top five.

 

Is there ever any excuse for people or nations to rely on any government's promises?

"Budapest Memorandum[edit]
Main article: Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances
On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:[10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

 

All wrong.. ISIS was formed in 2004 in Cap Bucca Prison, Iraq .. and exploded back on the scene when Maliki abused the Iraqi Sunnis. By 2011 ISIS showed up in Syria and declared war or just about everybody including Saudi Arabia and the GCC.

Look at your sources.. They are all garbage.. Judicial Watch? American conservative? Mideast shuffle? Rand Paul is a freak. They are low caliber propaganda sites.

 

Oh, yes, three years later Russia is backing Bashar al-Assad, and Russia has become entrenched in the Middle East. Three years later the Kurds destroyed the ISIS caliphate for us, and three years later our President is betraying the Kurds who sacrificed much for us and others.

Yes, much has changed.

The Washington Post reports, "ISTANBUL — Turkey’s government launched a long-expected offensive into northeastern Syria on Wednesday, in what initially appeared to be a limited operation targeting Syrian Kurdish fighters who have played a central role in the U.S.-led battle against the Islamic State militant group.

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced the start of the offensive in a Twitter message shortly after 4 p.m. local time. “The Turkish Armed Forces, together with the Syrian National Army, just launched #OperationPeaceSpring against PKK/YPG and Daesh terrorists in northern Syria,” he wrote, referring to the Syrian Kurdish force as well as the Islamic State.

“Our mission is to prevent the creation of a terror corridor across our southern border, and to bring peace to the area,” he added. Erdogan’s government has advocated for the creation of a Turkish-controlled “safe zone” in northeastern Syria that it asserts could accommodate millions of Syrian refugees living in Turkey."

The Syrian National Army is Assad's army. Trump's retreat opened the door for him, too.

Thank you, Mr. President. Your surrender to Turkey ensures the safety of our troops.

Trumpets don't want to talk about this. They prefer talking about he past. That is pathetic. Serious questions arise concerning the loyalty of some Trumpets.

 

That is pathetic ad hom fallacy - Attacking the messenger rather than the message. Regardless - there are 14 other (Bipartisan) in Congress who said exactly the same thing - and numerous other links given.

The above is simply an exercise in sticking head deep in the sandbox of denial.

 

Let me know when the House votes to investigate the President - for something.
The will of DP party bosses is not the will of the U.S. House of Representatives.

 

First off, the Turks would of annihilated the Kurds during the Syrian civil war years ago if not for the US. Instead we gave them weapons, training, money. They are a hardened force with combat experience compared to 4 years ago.They are in a far better position to resist Turkey than they would of been without America.

We arent under an obligation to keep troops in Kurdistan forever. How long are we supposed to be there?

 

OK...I'll stand "partially corrected," insomuch as Russia signed the agreement as well. Interesting that the Wikipedia article on the memorandum notes that the invasion of Crimea was a Russian violation of the agreement.

 

ISIS is destroyed and Syria is Russians historical ally. They are welcome to be there bt the government of Syria. We are not. See how that works?

 

The Judicial watch source does not even mention ISIS ... and as usual - any time something related to your beloved El Saud is mentioned - partisan blindness sets in.

We have debated this issue numerous times and you have been proven wrong numerous times. No on said ISIS did not form in 2004 ... This has nothing to do with how the Islamic State in Syria came into being.

There was no such thing as an Islamic State in Syria prior to 2013 .. you do not know what you are talking about.

 

Probably is...since Democrats control the House. But, just to be sure, we'll give the President a little more rope, before sending it to the Judiciary Committee for a "bill of impeachment." Then, the Committee votes the bill out for a floor debate and vote.

 

Russia has always backed Assad. No change there.

Here is the inconvenient truth about ISIS and US ME policy:

“The White House decided to support armed rebels in Syria despite intelligence warnings forecasting the rise of the Islamic State.

In Al Jazeera’s latest Head to Head episode, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Michael Flynn confirms to Mehdi Hasan that not only had he studied the DIA memo predicting the West’s backing of an Islamic State in Syria when it came across his desk in 2012, but even asserts that the White House’s sponsoring of radical jihadists (that would emerge as ISIL and Nusra) against the Syrian regime was “a willful decision.” [Lengthy discussion of the DIA memo begins at the 8:50 mark.]”
FOREIGN POLICY JOURNAL, Rise of Islamic State was ‘a willful decision’: Former DIA Chief Michael Flynn, By Brad Hoff | Aug 7, 2015 | Middle East, News & Analysis, US | 39 |.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.co...lful-decision-former-dia-chief-michael-flynn/

 

Flynn? Flynn? That rings a bell. Wasn't he the guy who pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts?

 

Trump has dared Pelosi and the other bosses to call a vote. They are obviously afraid to do that. So, by now you should know that there will never be a vote, and that the DP House is anti-Democratic. DP loyalists have been scammed again by their crooked pols.

Of course I will support Democrats call for a vote on an impeachment inquiry - if they ever do demand such a vote. I will try to be patient.

 

The Undeclared Endless War Biz needs to be shut down.

 

Has anyone denied Flynn's account of how the USG funded the creation of ISIS?

 

Of course, it was a violation of the agreement. Just as the failure to preserve the security of the Ukraine was a violation of the agreement.

Everyone should know by now that government promises are worthless.

"We may still doubt, therefore, whether the rulers of any society, however freely self-governed, will ever observe the claims of morality beyond what is needed in order to delude their subjects (and their allies abroad) to trust their professions of morality." (Polanyi, 1958, 227)
THE PREVALENCE OF DECEIT, F. G. Bailey, Cornell University Press, Ithaca, NY 1991. p75.

What does it take for people to finally get how this works?

 

And a thousand US troops are irrelevant, unless our military leaders have embraced a strategy of human sacrifice for the troops they lead.

 

There must be a vote for impeachment in the House, before the bill of impeachment goes to the Senate for the trial. How that is done, is left to the House "rules." The House rules Pelosi is going by are rules passed by a Republican House. Now that they are in the minority, they want to return to the "old rules."
Republicans are on all of the Committees now investigating whether or not impeachment should go further. If the result is "yes," they will have additional prerogatives (calling their own witnesses, issuing subpoenas, etc.) in the Judiciary Committee's preparation of a bill of impeachment and/or the floor debate, prior to the final House vote.

 

The House of Representatives cannot act in the name of the people until it votes.

Of course, DP Party bosses can hold partisan investigations without giving the minority subpoena power and otherwise denying due process to their targets.

But that is an obvious unjust, anti-democratic abuse of power.

 

Based on House rules passed by a prior Republican House. But, go ahead, whine.

 

Everybody who wants it has the firsthand knowledge in print now.

Everybody can hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.

 

We have a transcript given to the public by Trump. Think of the new whistleblower as a form of verification. Why would anyone question the President's words? Ask the Kurds.

 

I am not whining.
I have done everything I can think of to push you all on to final victory.

IMPEACH 45! IMPEACH 45! IMPEACH 45! is that clear enough?