Trump Organization Found Guilty in Tax Fraud Scheme

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  1. Nwolfe35

    Nwolfe35 Well-Known Member

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    When someone says "I'll pay you back" and then has their salary reduced the person paying the salary either notices or they are an idiot.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Nah Biden wasn't convicted of anything... Yet
     
  3. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You need to learn tax rules. Trump signing a check to give to a member of staff without declaring it means that employer tax was not paid on a staff benefit. Any "loan" to staff can be taken out of gross salary which clearly Trump did not do
     
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    Or salary is an HR function and check signing is an automated function as in almost every company in America with 50+ people on the payroll. You really think Biden sits down and signs all those government checks or anyone else for that matter?
     
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    He may not sign the checks but you can bet your bottom dollar if the pay of the Vice President (or even the Secretary of State) is reduced by 100,000 he knows about it.
     
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    Dude Biden doesn't know what day if the week it is. Hell he probably doesn't know how much he's making.
     
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    Nice attempt at deflection. This thread isn't about Biden, it's about the ex Criminal in Chief whose company (that he was the head of) was found guilty of tax fraud and how it heavily implies that he is guilty of tax fraud. (Among the 1/2 dozen other things he is being investigated for)
     
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    or not. The whole area of what you can and cannot use pre tax money for tends to be a bit hazy
    Not a deflection just a correction of the stupid Mafia comment from earlier.
     
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    Dude what's wisselberg's position with the company?
     
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    Makes no difference. It is not a conspiracy if the loan was deducted from his salary; it would be an advance on his salary. To be an issue then that loan was not declared as taken from salary. That is illegal. Does Trump make so many of these back handers that he forgets to declare them?

    Trump signed the checks given to Wisselberg. Trump would have signed the employee end of year Employee benefits and expenses form. If that advance was not declared on this form or not declared as an advance on salary then Trump committed an illegal act. Trump has previous on this behaviour. He wrote a check for over $100,000 to cover a personal fine on his golf course and used charity money. He has used company money to buy personal items and did not declare those on his returns.
     
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    So still NOTHING against Trump?
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If that's you need to believe to get you through the day, so be it.

    “Donald Trump is explicitly sanctioning tax fraud. That’s what this document shows,” Assistant District Attorney Joshua Steinglass told jurors in Manhattan Criminal Court on Friday. “This whole narrative that Donald Trump is blissfully ignorant is just not real.”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...rs-say-trump-knew-tax-fraud-company-rcna59878
     
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    It makes every difference, if he is CFO, or comptroller or similar title then how it's done is literally up to wisselberg. Check signing and automated process in which checks are signed entirely electronically via a signature already on file.
     
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    Trump signed the checks given to Weisselberg. Are you saying that Trump allowed Weisselberg to steal the money from the company?
     
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    No I am say Trump likely never even saw the checks.
     
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    Sorry no. Electronic signatures are not proof of anything. In order to prove Trump was guilty of what you say you would first half to prove Trump was knowledgeable enough about tax law to know that what was going on was fraud. And since he isn't a tax accountant or a tax lawyer lots of luck proving that.
     
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    Has Trump caledl Weisselberg a liar when he said "Weisselberg said Donald Trump, or at times Eric Trump or Donald Trump Jr., signed checks to pay up to $100,000 for private school tuition for Weisselberg's grandchildren. " ?
     
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    Uh an electronic copy of Trump's signature on a check doesn't nor does saying they signed make wisselberg a liar. To the bank and the business world a signature is a signature electronic or not. But an electronic signature isn't proof in and of itself that Trump ever saw the check.
     
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    I see you've educated yourself on the matter.....

    First of all, if Trump wrote the check to the institution to cover the tuition....there's no taxes involved at all.

    Second, nobody was charged for not paying taxes on gifts. The lifetime exclusion is something like $13 million dollars, so unless he went over that, it's not a violation either.

    Third, Trump hasn't been implicated in this guys attempts to avoid paying taxes on his income.

    "Oh look!" The geniuses proclaim, "Trump signed some checks! We got him!"

    Keep the dream alive though, you've almost got him. Walls are closing in.
     
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    These people are hilarious.

    If I sign a check over to someone and they commit tax fraud with the money by not paying taxes, I guess that means I'm guilty of tax evasion.

    Really, really dumb argument.

    These are the same people that fawned over Avenatti. #Basta
     
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    Why would he need to lie about it?

    Why can't someone write a check for $100k to cover tuition?
     
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    So if a federal employee commits tax fraud with a check signed by Biden or whoever does Biden go to jail?

    Use the thinking part of your brain.
     
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    LoL. Yeah because Trump personally runs the tax department just like the CEO of Disney checks every employee's tax returns and matches it to their paid income.

    Or maybe that's not it at all. Maybe they hire people to do that for them.

    Yeah. Probably the last one.
     
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    Where did you hear that the signatures were electronic? Has Trump got wisselberg arrested for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from the company yet?
     
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    No be cause didn't and you are conflating different things.
     

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