Trump parading "victims of illegal immigrants"

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes they do.

    The age with the highest murder rate is 14-20.
     
  2. Capt Nice

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    Seek is the right word. After seeking for a week or two sleeping on the concrete at out legitimate gates they give up and try to sneak into the country becoming criminals. Too bad trump won't let the people in at the legal crossings. This practice at the legal crossings cuts down on the number of people seeking asylum and increases the number of people trump can refer to as illegals.
     
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    says the russia did it crowd. Too funny
     
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    Yes, some minors come alone. They should be treated well and given the opportunity for asylum.
    What I highlighted in red is either speculative bs or occurs at a very low level. The vast majority of the other 30% is the huge issue we are dealing with. Children of all ages down to a few months old separated from parents (Not smugglers) who are applying for asylum.
     
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    Why don't you let Texan speak for himself. He made a very personal claim.

    But nice of you to declare toddlers to future killers. Very nice. Not.
     
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    When the facts don't work for you, LIE!
    When your lie panders to their prejudices,
    they'll fall for it!

    [A] February 2018 study by the Cato Institute using 2015 crime statistics from Texas found immigrants in the country illegally were 25 percent less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans. (Legal immigrants were 87 percent less likely.)​

    According to the study, immigrants in the country illegally were also 11.5 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of sexual assault and 79 percent less likely to be convicted of larceny.

    The study found higher conviction rates among illegal immigrants for gambling, kidnapping, smuggling and vagrancy, but those offenses were rare and made up a tiny fraction of overall crime in Texas in 2015.

    A separate March 2018 study in the journal Criminology looked at whether violent crime increases as the number of immigrants living illegally in a community goes up. Researchers found it does not. If anything, the opposite is true. Violent crime appears to fall when more immigrants are living in a community illegally.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/6225...on-and-crime?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news
     
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    Public forum. Go learn what that means.

    I know he can answer for himself, I'd never dream of answering for him. He's completely capable of destroying you on his own.

    But the answer is yes, the prime age for gang members is very young.

    I'm sorry if reality hurts your talking points, but I understand why you're dodging.

    Oh and by the way, no, they're not asylum seekers. They're illegal aliens.
     
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    And make no mistake. Trump would love to shut down immigration and asylum altogether from the South.

    In fact, this zero tolerance policy has flooded the system causing even tighter bottlenecks.
     
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    Your concern has been remedied. So we can move on.
     
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    Stop making crap up!

    Illegals are not Asylum seekers. Asylum seekers go through the port of entry.
     
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    No. Trump was making an argument in favor of it this afternoon. Using family members of people who were killed in a car accident (dui) with an illegal immigrant or killed by one. They have important stories, but that has nothing to do with asylum seekers.
     
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    Some minors come alone?

    Between Jan. 1, 2018, and May 31, 2018, CBP reported @ 91,000 people were apprehended at the Southwest Border.

    35% of that total, or 32,310, were "Unaccompanied Alien Children"

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/usbp-sw-border-apprehensions

    You, and most of the others pushing the same line, have no clue what you are talking about.

    Try arming yourself with facts. It might make your opinions slightly more believable.
     
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    And asylum is, by law, sought in the first country you're safe in. Guess where that is? NOT HERE AT THE END OF THE TRIP.
    Its at least in Mexico and depending on how far south they're coming from, it is other nations as well.
     
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    They think Americans deserve it. If you ever hear a collectivist talk about Americans, especially white ones, you'll know real fast how they really feel about you and the country.
     
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    Link?
     
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    Doesn't it bother you that @10,000 of the @12,000 being detained were never with their parents? They were separated at their homes. Many are with complete strangers.

    Doesn't it bother that President Trump has less than half those being detained than the previous president? That's right. The previous president had over 25,000 detained. Trump only has about 12,000 and that number is going to drop fast.

    And last but not least we have this wonderful video full of hypocrites.
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/3210...tm_content=062118-news&utm_campaign=position3
     
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    So Trump is saying that these infants and babies caused those people to be victims?
     
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    Should we invade and clean it up? Why are we responsible for the worlds indigent? Our resources have limits, just like every other country.
     
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    Would you be able to say the same thing about those same "toddlers" ten or twenty years down the road ?
     
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    The issue that has been remedied is the separation of children from families. Trump made a case for control of illegal immigration.
     
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    Trump’s immigration policy remains as ugly as ever, despite his latest efforts to prove otherwise. The zero tolerance policy is still in effect, and a Pentagon official said that 20,000 migrant children will be housed on military bases starting as early as July. Amid this chaos and confusion, it’s nonetheless clear that while families might not be separated anymore, they will be detained together indefinitely.

    Maybe, that would require a judge to change her mind on a previous ruling and that is unlikely. It’s also clear there’s no government plan in place to reunite the 2,300 children separated from their parents under the zero-tolerance policy since early May.

    Through all of this, as Trump seems to be downplaying the Executive Order he signed Wednesday, he is playing to his base. "Your loved ones have not died in vain," he told the group of so-called Angel Families at the White House.

    "These are the American citizens permanently separated from their loved ones," he said on Friday, before introducing family members of victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants.

    "I cannot imagine it being any worse, but we promise to act with strength and resolve. We'll not rest until our border is secure, our citizens are safe and we end this immigration crisis once and for all," Trump said.

    While some scratched their heads wondering what was the point, no doubt his base was cheering as if these crimes somehow ameliorated Trump's crimes.

    Here is the interesting part. It is safe to say that there is an excellent cross section of members of Trump's base on this forum. This thread and a number of threads are dedicated to a realistic assessment of the Trump administration. At times that assessment is not complimentary. When that is true, his base has proven incapable of defending Trump.

    Instead of tearing into the criticism of their hero, they tear into the writer who had the temerity of writing that realistic assessment. Or, they make a wisecrack. Or, they try to change the subject to Obama, Hillary, 2016 election, Democrats, or anyone, just not Trump.

    That is a very curious phenomenon. His base supports Trump, but they are incapable of defending what Trump does and says.
     
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    What are you talking about. Which of Trump's supporters are incapable of defending what he does or says? He's done a great job. He's virtually dismantled the previous administration's negative impact on the US. Now he wants to secure the border and the obstructionist left will have nothing to do with it. They are all talk and no go.
     
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    Crimes committed by illegal aliens are 100% preventable. Separating illegal alien families is 100% preventable....how you ask? Secure the border.
     
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    If they are granted asylum, they aren't illegal.
     

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