Trump pardons Michael Flynn, former national security advisor who admitted lying to FBI

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who convicted Flynn? What crime, you mean the one the FBI withheld exculpatory evidence, bankrupted him and then threatened his family if he did plea bargain a deal? Who has even charged Trump committed a crime let alone charge and convict?
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    He can't at least not under any authority he has, he's a judge not a prosecutor. Sullivan was playing political games hoping to drag it out until after Biden took office and a Biden DOJ would reinstate. But he has a full pardon, it's over.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    It was entered and then withdrawn before sentencing and DOJ agreed, happens all the time and especially here when the DOJ had to admit exculpatory evidence was withheld. He was never "convicted" there is nothing on his record.

    "President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he had granted a "full pardon" to his former national security adviser Michael Flynn"
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...n-who-twice-pleaded-guilty-lying-fbi-n1249031

    and

    There are different types of pardons, each having its own effect. Pardons can be full or partial, absolute or conditional.

    • Full. Unconditionally absolves the person of the conviction and all of the crime’s consequences.
    • Partial. Only relieves the person from some of the crime’s punishment or consequences.
    • Absolute. Granted without any conditions.
    • Conditional. Some condition—usually to be fulfilled by the person seeking the pardon—must occur before the pardon takes effect. For instance, a pardon could be conditioned on helping the police solve a crime or locate a suspect. Some conditional pardons become void when a specified condition occurs, such as the former offender committing another crime.
    https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/pardons.html

    Now let's go after the officials who violated his Flynns rights.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Michael Flynn son tweeted " you're all going down". What a jerk. Little Mike must be guilty of something since he is lashing out like a corned snake.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/22/politics/michael-flynn-jr/index.html
     
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    Judge had not ruled on it and it was withdrawn with the blessings of the DOJ.
     
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    He should have thing about the cost of criminal defense before he set out on a criminal life after retiring from the Army.
     
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    Another Trum fan screwing up his life to help Trimp.
     
  8. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    "The unredacted portion of the report, written by Republicans on the panel, details testimony from former FBI Director James Comey and his then-deputy, Andrew McCabe. The report says McCabe, in particular, testified that the two agents who interviewed Flynn “didn’t think he was lying.""
    https://thehill.com/policy/national...omey-mccabe-testified-that-the-two-agents-who

    And that evidence was withheld from Flynn and the court violating his rights. And even he was, what crime was it material too?
     
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    Man, the hate is strong with democrats.
     
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    I have no sympathy for people who commit crimes and even less for those who commit crimes for Trump.
     
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    Or any common sense either.
     
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    From your link:
    A pardon doesn’t indicate the convicted person is innocent. Pardons generally don’t expunge convictions. But, they will usually restore civil rights lost as a result of the conviction. So, pardons will generally restore:

    conviction is a deportable offense.

    A pardon doesn’t affect any civil consequences that might flow from the crime. So, even someone who receives a pardon for murder may still be subject to a lawsuit for wrongful death. Pardons also tend not to affect administrative consequences, such as license suspensions.

    The judge didn't ever agree with the DOJ. It was a Barr assed failure.
     
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    Google it you will see.
     
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    No he is a pardoned criminal who disgraced his country, his family, the Army, and himself. What a bumb bastard for a guy who achieved the rank of Lt. General.
     
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    Actually Powell didn't want Trump to issue a pardon wanting it to end in the courtroom where it would have unless Sullivan, unconstitutionally, held it up until a Biden AG could take office and seek vengence.
     
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    I posted it.

    And

    "Notably, despite having pleaded guilty more than two years ago, Flynn has not yet been formally convicted of that crime because the conviction does not technically happen until the sentence is pronounced. And for various reasons, that has not happened yet."
    https://www.cato.org/blog/two-things-nearly-everyone-gets-wrong-about-michael-flynn-case

    The DOJ withdrew the prosecution what don't you understand here?
     
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    1. Flynn
    2. Lying to the FBI
    3. SDNY
     
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  18. Bluesguy

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    DOJ says he didn't commit a crime. The FBI agents who did the interview said he did not. Why do you hate Flynn so much you are screaming to have him convicted of a crime he didn't commit. What crime are you even saying he committed FOR Trump? What crime was material to the statement he gave the FBI agents?
     
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    FBI agents said he didn't, what crime was his statement material too? When was Flynn convicted of a crime see msg. 41
    When was Trump charged let alone convicted of a crime. Would the SDNY even be investigating had he not been elected President?
     
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    Lol...crooks have to stick together. He's also afraid that flynn will spill the beans on him once he's out of office.
     
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    Would you have been born if your mother lived at the North Pole and your father at the South Pole?

    Unprovable hypothetical, but probably... and I suspect he would have been indicted at the same time as Cohen...
     
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    Totally Expected.

    Next up Manafort.

    Then, he does Daddy Vlad a favor and pardons the Boston Bomber.

    A lot of moving parts as Trump gets set to pardon hundreds of criminals.
     
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    I never used the hate word. The DOJ was pushed by Trump into saying he did not commit a crime I just know that because Trump tried to get Comey to back off Flynn. If Flynn did not do anything wrong why did Trump have to tell Comey go back off.

    Flynn plead guilty that makes him a criminal.
     
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    "Flynn plead guilty to a felony count of " willfully and knowingly" making false statements to the FBI". If he did not commit a crime why would he plead guilty? He lied about contact with Russia government officials. The FBI had recording of him talking to the Russian ambassador.
     
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    Shall we go over all pardoned criminals? Or just ones you don't like?

    https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons
     
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