Trump passes no insurance for abortions.

When the Federal Government violates the Constitution and treads on freedom of religion by declaring that insurers have to provide free services that may violate the consciences of people picking up the tab, it may be an issue. The decision of whether the policy holder wanted to pay for services should have been between the patient and insurance company, but the Obama politburo declared otherwise.

 

Here is a link -
Judge tosses Trump rule on billing for abortion coverage https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...mp-rule-on-billing-for-abortion-coverage.html


So it does nothing w/r to abortion - but Trump is an idiot for trying such a stunt.

 

My question was germane, the ACA is not functioning in all states, it has never been fully functional because it was never intended to be. It was passed to dismantle the existing American( best in the world ) healthcare so that it could be replaced with single payer. So there's no surprise that what we have is garbage. The ACA would have segued into single payer if Trump hadn't won and by now we'd have the same crap as the UK and Canada. Minus Hillary the ACA went into limbo and the Democrats deserted it and punted it to Trump. It doesn't work, it must be Trump's fault. Trump can't even come up with an alternative, it's all Trump's fault. No it's not, it's not called Obamacare for nothing. I don't know what you have for coverage where you are but it's all over the map here such that I opted out and entered into a private concierge membership where the care is top notch and there's no BS. It costs a little more but worth every penny. Obamacare flushed what we had down the toilet and it is irretrievable. America will never have decent healthcare ever again. So praise and enjoy what you've got just don't get sick because whatever it is probably isn't covered or you'll have to hit your deductible before anyone is interested.

 

You do realize not everything was covered prior to ACA, right? What specifically did ACA exclude from being covered? Please provide credible documentation showing such

 

You do understand that ACA is not a provider. During the protracted time it took to get up and running ( which it never really did ) states and providers had drop back twenty and punt. The states really didn't know what they were doing and the providers discovered they could do anything they wanted and with no oversight that is what happened. Costs began to rise, employers started casting about for better deals and the quality and quantity took a dive while premiums went up and deductibles went from hundreds to multiple thousands, some families have as much as a $20,0000 dollar deductible. The insurers went from profiting on the margins to making billions. That is why your healthcare is permanently in the toilet. I can't speak for what is going on in your neck of the woods but here not everything is covered because there is no entity that tells the providers that they have to and if they are told to do anything they'll just raise the rates and stop providing something else and deductibles head for the stratosphere. This is what happens when the government engages in things they know nothing about and if it doesn't work out they just abandon it and the citizen/consumer pays for it. The worse this gets the more the Democrats will whine about single payer as the magic fix. Single payer is a bunch of hocus pocus. Insurance of any kind is kind of a ponzi scheme in that it pays claims from a large pool. Insurers are masters at determining risk and set rates so they can afford to pay claims and make a profit. Single payer works in the opposite it depends on a large pool of people to pay for other people who for one reason or another cannot pay. When there's more of those that cannot pay than those that do the cost goes up but that has it's limits and it becomes necessary to ration care. In the UK and Canada that means those over 55 will be denied expensive life saving procedures. It means instead of long term care they'll be put on hospice, do you see how close that is to euthanasia? Is this what America wants, needs? It's coming if we let it. Just look what we had and the crap we have now. The ACA should have never happened.

 

Only abortifacients, and only religious organizations. Only Catholics have a problem with birth control other than abortifacients such as RU 486.

 

Congratulations to all of the anti-abortion Republicans because this ruling will INCREASE abortions!

The number of abortions DECREASED when ObamaCare mandated contraceptive coverage for women.

Now that your hatred of women has overturned the mandate for contraceptive coverage there will be FEWER women who can afford contraception.

The abortion rate is about to INCREASE again!

Smart move on the part of those opposed to abortion...NOT!

Sad!

 

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. The increase in deductibles have nothing to do with ACA. The trend of high deductible plans actually started in 2004. Increasing deductibles is a way for employers to get the costs down for the insurance being provided to employees. Healthcare costs had already been rising well before ACA and were going to continue to rise whether or not ACA was implemented.
So again I will ask you...what has ACA excluded from being covered “in your neck of the woods”?

 

Which costs the taxpayer more, a box of condoms or unwanted children?

 

How much does it “drive up the cost”? By how much do premiums increase due to covering contraceptives?

 

A Terrible Parent is one who forces a teenager to carry a pregnancy to term.

 

You should probably specify "new" "unused" condoms.

 

Right - I understand that. What I don't understand is why contraception would be a violation of the consciences of the people picking up the tab.

 

Well before you murder the child.. maybe you should just send them to me and other loving people.

 

If a company went through their insurance plan and identified contraceptives as a cause for premium increases, I could definitely see your point. But there are also many other services and products covered that do the same. So singling out contraception isn't a good look.

 

Tell me exactly why the taxpayer should be on the hook for someone else's contraception or abortion? Providing free contraception does not prevent unwanted children our foster care system is filled with them. Paying people to be idle produces unwanted children. What you're saying is we should throw more money at a problem that is rooted in free money. So the solution is to make everything free I suppose. Give us more money or we'll have more unwanted children. Our tax dollars should be spent on infrastructure, education, defense, law enforcement and fire departments. Everything else is politics.

 

Note: I said unwanted children — as in a living breathing child — not a zygote.

And any person with any moral background should be advised against allowed adoption through the state, most of them are religious indoctrination centers.

Feel free to answer the question though, what is cheaper?
A child
A box of condoms
An abortion

Think real hard and you might stumble across the answer

 

WHO is "murdering children? Maybe you should report them..

BTW, "loving people" willing to adopt are in VERY short supply. Some kids actually "age out" of the system because "loving people" are pretty fussy about what kind of kid they adopt....there are MANY unadopted kids so you better get busy !


...and NO one is obligated to provide children for others.

Did you want to pay all their medical bills (and all their other financial losses and for pain and suffering)when they choose to gestate?

 

That ends the discussion right there but I will tell you without revealing too much personal information that the reason I've opted out of ACA healthcare is because a loved one was denied life saving care while some bureaucrats were deciding whether or not they would pay for it. Anyone who expects the government to efficiently provide something as important as healthcare is a fool. The ACA is a pile of bureaucratic flim flam. Have you read it? Even the congress that rammed it through didn't. It was poorly conceived, designed and foisted on America under extremely shady circumstances and was never fully implemented. This act is full of contradictions and purposely confounding language, even a lawyer has difficulties sifting through it. This act is the most irresponsible piece of legislation ever passed and those who voted for it should be fired.

https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/ppacacon.pdf

 

Maybe not but it still costs the taxpayer millions and is no more expensive for the individual than toilet paper, should we be paying for that?

 

LOL

 

health care doesn't cover reproduction yet I can get a hard-on pill?

 

But forcing them to have an abortion is OK??? Psychologically, an abortion is a devastating event in an adolescent's life. We're talking about life here, it's not some simple mindless procedure. A terrible parent is one who does not effectively communicate the consequences of unprotected sex.

 

There are about four hundred thousand children still WAITING for you to come and pick them up so what is taking you so long?

 

I did no say forcing a teenager to have an abortion is OK. What I said was - forcing them to carry the pregnancy to term is not good parenting.

Communicating the virtues of contraception has zero to do with the question of what to do once an unintentional pregnancy has occurred.

So did you have something other than Straw man and irrelevant commentary ?

What does a "Good Parent" do !?