Trump Reinstates Tariff on Canadian Aluminum

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  1. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    i guess hes out for any and everyone, including allies now. what happen to the deal he made with mexico and canada couple years back. guess its wasn't first time he withdrawn from commitment.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/business/economy/trump-canadian-aluminum-tariffs.html

     
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    I wish we could go back to the Constitution and give Congress back the taxation power. Guess that is too much to hope for now.
     
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    look like canada slap $3.6B retaliatory tariff on US goods

    https://financialpost.com/news/econ...-6-billion-in-retaliatory-tariffs-against-u-s

     
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    If Not Now, When?
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    I am surprise no one is mentioning Canada's meddling in US elections. Not only is Canada slapping an equal amount of tariffs on US exports to Canada but they are specifically targeting products from US swing states.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-aluminum-imports-tariffs-trump-1.5677757
     
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    It does make sense to target those areas of production that specifically use the product that tariffs have been placed on. A retaliatory reaction whose aim is for a u-turn and is nothing to do with meddling in US elections

    But as usual Trump has no knowledge of the reasons for the use of tariffs. Imposing tariffs mean the production costs increases which is passed on to the consumer who will look elsewhere for a similar cheaper product. There was a reason why US companies were importing Canadian aluminium - it was the cheapest supplier!
     
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    The reasons for tariffs goes back to our founders!

    Now, people forget why we used tariffs. It was to make us independent from other nations and to employ our own people by protecting our wages. And producers.

    To keep from having a low wage service based economy. It was also a matter of national defense winning us ww two.

    We could always have found cheaper widgets. By disembowelling our own workers.

    It took politicians fifty years to destroy what our founders created in America
     
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    when the other put retaliatory tariff, then you got people losing jobs from that. our founders was in the age of non-internet, no-electronic, no globlism, no wall-street etc etc. back then we have slavery too, we change that over the time. time change, policy need to adapt to those changes
     
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    We could have offshored without the net! England was supplying our goods using cheap labor from their empire!

    So its BS. The principle that we must employ our own people has not changed! And protect them from dirt poor people who get exploited. By elites.

    The cheapest widget guts america.
     
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    self reliable like NK lol. look how their life is doing. without trade from other nations, well be end up like NK, everything too expanse, or require significant investment/time/talent to work. for example most IC are made overseas now, tariff IC are not gonna bring jobs back, as top of line chip require alot time/$$$/talent to make it work. this is just 1 out thousands field that we need to invest if we want to be self reliance, and we'll end up like NK.
     
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    I lived much of my life buying american made products. It helped to create our middle class and raised people from poverty.

    Your NK comment is nonsensical and irrelevant.

    Buy American!
     
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    That pesky constitution gets in the way of many things politicians want to do. Thank heaven for that.
     
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    Unfortunately, it isn't getting in the way now. It is just being ignored. Again, wish we could go back to it and give Congress back the taxation power. Right now Trump can circumvent Congress whenever he wants to create new taxes, like he did here. It would be great if the "free market" Republicans would speak up. They won't. They're in hiding until Trump is no longer in office.
     
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    He didn't create a tax. He created a tariff. All tariffs have been imposed by the administration, not the congress. I agree that it was a mistake.
     
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    A tariff is a tax on imported goods. Yes, it is a mistake. Taxes, including duties (and a tariff is a schedule of duties), are the power of Congress, not the President. Would be cool to start going with the Constitution again.
     
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    No it is not. It is a cost of importation imposed on the buyer of the product. It is a revenue source like taxes but it isn't a tax.

    I repeat. Tariffs are determined by the administration, not the congress.
     
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    i'm sure you can buy american product, like furniture, cloth etc but you CAN"T substitute EVERYTHING with america product. for example the phone or pc you using right now its made in SK/CHina or some asia countries, the parts in these device could come from japan/US and many other countries. SO i doubt all the stuff you own is 100% made in USA. even if you buy F150, ill bet there are many parts in the truck are made oversea or mexico or canada. Many vehicles glass in rust belt region are made by chinese company operate in Ohio. Honda make more auto in US, then ford/GM. So is that consider made in USA? if you force EVERTHING to be made here, then we'll end up like NK.
     
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    It's a tax on imports. Even if you want to play semantics and pretend it isn't a tax, it is, by definition, a schedule of duties . . . which is also part of Congress's taxation powers according to the Constitutuion.

    Only when we circumvent the Constitution. Back when we followed the Constitution, tariffs were part of Congress's powers. This is hardly new, I'm sorry.
     
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    I'm talking about the present, not the past. Imagine trying to adjust a tariff by sending it through the congress. The chances of acheiving the adjustment would be nil. We seem to have replaced the congress with executive action reviews by the judiciary. We circumvent the constitution with nearly everything federal government does. It should be hard to make laws. The fact that it is comforts me. Adjustments don't belong in congress. So we circumvent the constitution. If we could clean up partisanship we could go back to it. I would favor that.
     
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    We aren't talking about minor adjustments. We are talking about net-new tariffs that Trump is unconstitutionally passing. The Supreme Court has already ruled that it would be unconstitutional for the President to unilaterally pass tariffs without at least the guidance of Congress and that it is only constitutional in that case because he is acting as the "mere agent" of Congress. That's not what Trump is doing.

    It is completely false to claim tariffs are not the President's power. Not legally, anyway. The power still belongs to Congress. That can't legally change without a Constitutional amendment. Congress couldn't even sign the power over if they wanted to without one. That would violate the nondelegation doctrine, which, again, the Supreme Court has already rightly ruled would apply here.
     
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